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Yes - Fiat decided to have a committee to design the dipstick and some - dipstick - decided it would be a good idea to make it oil-coloured.
Not just me then. I probably lose more oil checking levels than the engine actually consumes.
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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

Panda still running well. I hope the extra oil has fixed my ignition/rough running issues. Was nothing to do with coil, even though that was indicated by fault code! Fingers crossed. Thanks for the help guys!
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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

That's excellent news, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Perhaps do another oil and filter change in a months time and thereafter every six or so months. I used to do one around September after the hot running of summer, towing a caravan or long fast journeys, then in March after short and frequent cold starts, can't say I ever experienced any engine trouble on my cars from VW Beetle, Skoda, Rover K series and umpteen others as well.
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Panda still running well. I hope the extra oil has fixed my ignition/rough running issues. Was nothing to do with coil, even though that was indicated by fault code! Fingers crossed. Thanks for the help guys!
As the inlet valve operation is hydraulically controlled the viscosity of the engine oil is crucial - I seem to remember reading somewhere on the forum that it's monitored by the engine management system. Meticulous oil changes seem to be particularly essential with the TA.
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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

https://www.fiatforum.com/500/453880...-stalling.html

Recent thread on the 500 section. Not precisely the same symptoms I know, but another TA where the oil level may well be the cause of the rough running (in that particular case the car was dying after a few hundred yards following a cold start).

I see @Goudrons contributed to that thread as well!
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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

It was around March/April 2014 that Fiat reduced it's service intervals on both 1.2's and TA's from 18k to 9k.

It appears they revised the oil spec on the 85 hp TA as well around the same time.

My March '14 Handbooks for my TA 4x4 says the 85hp TA needs Selenia K PE (5W/40), along with the 1.2's at intervals of 18k.
(with the 65hp TA requiring Digitek PE, 0W/30)

Later handbooks stated all TA's use Digitek PE 0W/30 at 9k intervals for all TA's and K PE just for the 1.2's.

For those with nothing better to do, the handbooks are here https://aftersales.fiat.com/elum/home.aspx?languageid=2

There must have been a good reason for Fiat to revised the oil specs (I guess the intervals as well) and as the valve lift and turbo are particularly dependent on the correct grade of oil I can only imagine it could be due with one of both.

When I noticed, it niggled me at the time, so much so I binned the oil in my TA, which must have been 5W/40 after only 2k to have it replaced with Digitek 0W/30.

Since then when it's been in for a service, I've made sure that's what they use.
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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

I've had this exact issue and while topping up the oil did help the problem it didn't solve it entirely.

Before it would lose power, engine and warning light would come on and it wouldn't recover for a while.

Now it seems to recover quite quickly and once you restart it all the lights disappear.

Still of course quite an issue and not entirely usable.

Any more suggestions?
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Quote Originally Posted by theimben View Post
I've had this exact issue and while topping up the oil did help the problem it didn't solve it entirely.

Before it would lose power, engine and warning light would come on and it wouldn't recover for a while.

Now it seems to recover quite quickly and once you restart it all the lights disappear.

Still of course quite an issue and not entirely usable.

Any more suggestions?
Hi and welcome

Tell us more

Vehicle .
Year.
Miles .

The story of your issue.

Happened after an oil change (what oil )

Crept up slowly.. (over what period)

Ive got a 2012 punto and 2013 panda

No such issues.. so need your input

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Hi and welcome

Tell us more

Vehicle .
Year.
Miles .

The story of your issue.

Happened after an oil change (what oil )

Crept up slowly.. (over what period)

Ive got a 2012 punto and 2013 panda

No such issues.. so need your input

Cheers
Charlie
Hi Charlie,

It's a 2012 Panda Easy Twin Air 875cc with about 48k miles.

Had this same on going issue that would cause it to lose power and would report as being a coil issue. Problem continued after having both coils and plugs replaced and the garage still couldn't find the problem. It had been with them for weeks as they were waiting for Fiat to reopen.

I took the suggestion on the last page and asked them to top it up with oil yesterday and while it does still happen it is happening far less frequently.The oil wasn't changed just filled up.

What are your thoughts to solve this entirely?

Many thanks
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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

Hi, if it helps I can share my experiences?

4x4 TA '63 plate.

Misfired (running on one cylinder) I took it to a local guy with Alfa/Fiat experience who swapped plugs exchanged coil packs etc but failed to diagnose. He probably should have known, however he admitted defeat and took it to FIAT dealership. 10 minutes and they had identified the Uni-Air module (hydraulic valve control) this relies entirely on engine oil to actuate valves. If the oil is low, dirty, out of spec etc this can (probably will) toast this module, I suspect it has some very tiny oilways that are vulnerable to clogging but can't say this with any evidence/experience. The car was barely 50kmiles but I purchased it with a sketchy service history so don't know the oil change situation...

All I would suggest you can do is get along to a dealer and see what they say. I harassed FIAT regarding what I considered a premature failure but if they diagnose dirty oil then its a moot argument!

I don't wish this failure on you but if you've covered all the other bases then...
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Quote Originally Posted by theimben View Post
Hi Charlie,

It's a 2012 Panda Easy Twin Air 875cc with about 48k miles.

Had this same on going issue that would cause it to lose power and would report as being a coil issue. Problem continued after having both coils and plugs replaced and the garage still couldn't find the problem. It had been with them for weeks as they were waiting for Fiat to reopen.

I took the suggestion on the last page and asked them to top it up with oil yesterday and while it does still happen it is happening far less frequently.The oil wasn't changed just filled up.

What are your thoughts to solve this entirely?

Many thanks

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Thanks.. it does help

So when you say it loses power..
Does it then stall..stop running ?

Or idle beautifully (for a twinar..) ? Just lack power 'up top'..

Does it hold its fluid levels ok..?

What is your history with the car.. ?
( know where and when its had its servicing.. )

Charlie
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Hi
Thanks.. it does help

So when you say it loses power..
Does it then stall..stop running ?

Or idle beautifully (for a twinar..) ? Just lack power 'up top'..

Does it hold its fluid levels ok..?

What is your history with the car.. ?
( know where and when its had its servicing.. )

Charlie
I'm not able to replicate the problem but it does tend to happen shortly after starting the engine.

Once it's lost power it'll occasionally stall but not always.

Regularly serviced as far as I know.
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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

Has the Panda had a recent oil change @theimben?! Reason ask is, while Fiat Multi Ecu Scan diagnostic software can reset the Uniair unit post oil change, main dealer denied to me it needs to relearn the oil. Anymore than 4,500 miles on my TA 4x4 between changes it goes to 1 cylinder and dash lights up. Cleared itself first time after 132 miles.

Second time, restarted fine and my Dad ran it up to the limiter in 1st which seemed to cure it. I settle on 6 month oil changes and it's not done since. Has had anything from 3.2-3.5 litres of oil put in so far (4 changes in 17k) and has never needed any adding. 2 uniair failures I heard off from main dealers, one been run on Euro 5 spec 5w 40 oil, other 10w 30.

Strange. Mine run on 0w 30 C3 but never worried it will fail.
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