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Old 14-10-2017   #31
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Quote Originally Posted by babbo_umbro View Post
Yes - Fiat decided to have a committee to design the dipstick and some - dipstick - decided it would be a good idea to make it oil-coloured.
Not just me then. I probably lose more oil checking levels than the engine actually consumes.
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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

Panda still running well. I hope the extra oil has fixed my ignition/rough running issues. Was nothing to do with coil, even though that was indicated by fault code! Fingers crossed. Thanks for the help guys!
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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

That's excellent news, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Perhaps do another oil and filter change in a months time and thereafter every six or so months. I used to do one around September after the hot running of summer, towing a caravan or long fast journeys, then in March after short and frequent cold starts, can't say I ever experienced any engine trouble on my cars from VW Beetle, Skoda, Rover K series and umpteen others as well.
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Panda still running well. I hope the extra oil has fixed my ignition/rough running issues. Was nothing to do with coil, even though that was indicated by fault code! Fingers crossed. Thanks for the help guys!
As the inlet valve operation is hydraulically controlled the viscosity of the engine oil is crucial - I seem to remember reading somewhere on the forum that it's monitored by the engine management system. Meticulous oil changes seem to be particularly essential with the TA.
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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

https://www.fiatforum.com/500/453880...-stalling.html

Recent thread on the 500 section. Not precisely the same symptoms I know, but another TA where the oil level may well be the cause of the rough running (in that particular case the car was dying after a few hundred yards following a cold start).

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Re: Panda Twin Air ignition issues

It was around March/April 2014 that Fiat reduced it's service intervals on both 1.2's and TA's from 18k to 9k.

It appears they revised the oil spec on the 85 hp TA as well around the same time.

My March '14 Handbooks for my TA 4x4 says the 85hp TA needs Selenia K PE (5W/40), along with the 1.2's at intervals of 18k.
(with the 65hp TA requiring Digitek PE, 0W/30)

Later handbooks stated all TA's use Digitek PE 0W/30 at 9k intervals for all TA's and K PE just for the 1.2's.

For those with nothing better to do, the handbooks are here https://aftersales.fiat.com/elum/home.aspx?languageid=2

There must have been a good reason for Fiat to revised the oil specs (I guess the intervals as well) and as the valve lift and turbo are particularly dependent on the correct grade of oil I can only imagine it could be due with one of both.

When I noticed, it niggled me at the time, so much so I binned the oil in my TA, which must have been 5W/40 after only 2k to have it replaced with Digitek 0W/30.

Since then when it's been in for a service, I've made sure that's what they use.
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