General The pros & cons of Panda ownership?

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General The pros & cons of Panda ownership?

I have the euro 6 version bought nov 2015 with 6000 miles its a 2014 model. Originally it had a slight slump in power on accelration but a trip to the dealers and hey presto goes like stink now much better than my 55 or 11 plate will hit 50 in second 80 in third if pushed. Averages 55mpg when most journeys 10 mile or less will do high 60s low seventies on a run. Comfy and very nice to drive air con still blows lovely an cold, servicing cheap at independents, buy base models nowt much to go wrong. awesome in snow without any different tyres leaving most others stranded including 4x4s with idiot drivers, wouldnt swop it for anything. Now on 20000 miles with no issues except front tyres getting low.
 
The 1.2 is one of Fiats finest, an old design now but these Fire engines are strong, free revving, quiet and economical. Don't expect Porsche performance or masses of torque,

That's my opinion too.
I've lost count of all the different FIRE's I've had over the years and each has been a gem, a perfect fit for a small Fiat like the Panda.

A lot of manufacturers these days fit 3 cylinder engines to their small cars, I seem to have hired most over the last couple of years and they always leave me a bit disappointed.

Fire them up and they're all strummy, a bit gruff and sound like they're quite eager, pull away and the reality is they soon get on your nerves.
I can't think of one (without a turbo) that didn't feel flat as a pancake!
And these days they seem to be worse as they all seem to come with very tall gearing that the engine just can turn over properly. (I'm thinking about the new i10)

My TA 4x4 is a different kettle of fish, it really is a marmite engine.
There are times I love it, it's so odd ball, the sound and the torque really can put a big grin on your face, yet it can pull it's self around in tall gears on the slightest wiff of petrol.

But there are other times when it can get a bit tiring.
Though some of that's probably down to the short first gear of the 4x4, it can be almost painful around town in heavy traffic, but there are times when I wish is wasn't making such a harsh din, particulary after an hour or two on the motorway.

I guess I might feel like this about the TA and the other 3 pot engines because I know I could be in our 1.2 Pop on the same trip, so it's a bit more noticeable how good the 1.2 actually is, sure it's not going to be rewarding as a sports car engine might be, but it's not a sports car.

These days Fiat's 1.2 actually stands out for being so normal!
 
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A lot of manufacturers these days fit 3 cylinder engines to their small cars, I seem to have hired most over the last couple of years and they always leave me a bit disappointed.

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I'm not a fan of triples.

IMO the 1.2 FIRE was at its best in Euro4 form, before the introduction of VVT. This was done for emissions purposes; the seemingly extra power of the 69HP engines an illusion in everyday driving as it only comes in over 4000rpm. The earlier engines have more bottom end torque, which helps driveability. They run quieter; my 500 (which has the later Euro5 engine) sounds like a bag of bolts in comparison. Safer, too, if you're unfortunate enough to have the cambelt break.
 
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What is the timing belts life span? I will probably have a full service and belt change for peace of mind.
 
60,000 or 6 years from memory. The Fire engine is easy to do, always fit a new tensioner and water pump. I will do mine next year when the car will be four years old. I'd recommend either sourcing from Fiat or use a Gates kit, been in the Gates factory in Dumfries many times and they are the OE for many manufacturers, funny to see Ford, Land Rover and many other coming off the production line, I would be pretty sure Fiat source from Gates in Poland too.
 
The Fire engine is easy to do, always fit a new tensioner and water pump.

That.

The only real awkwardness is you need to support the engine somehow; it's necessary to remove the top engine mounting to get the belt on or off.

I've seen various different answers to the question of how often; Fiat themselves change the recommendation from time to time.

4/48k if you want to play safe; if you leave it until 6/60k you'l likely still be OK, but bear in mind it'll wreck your engine if it does let go. At least one chap here who used the car for trackdays changed it every 12k.

The economics are different if you do it yourself, as the parts cost a lot less than the labour.

Interestingly cambelt failure is almost never reported, and I'm sure there are folks who've never changed the belt in 10yrs (though I wouldn't recommend doing that). Camchain failure on the diesels, however is another story; IMO these are more of a liability than the petrol versions.

At the end of the day, you've gotta ask yourself one question: "do I feel lucky?".


 
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The pros & cons of Panda ownership?

Other than a couple of issues that my bought used 2014 1.2 has had I can assure you I have little to moan about.
The 1.2 is one of Fiats finest, an old design now but these Fire engines are strong, free revving, quiet and economical. Don't expect Porsche performance or masses of torque, mine is a Euro 6 version but kept in tip top condition, with regular services, decent plugs and an oil catch tank then she will pull fine use the gears, keep the revs up and you'll find the car great.
Drive below 65 mph and be rewarded by excellent economy, just remember if you drive like your on the Mobil economy run to give it a thrashing every now and again, just don't get Basil Fawlty to do it.



I concur. I run a 2015 Euro 6 Panda 1.2, I also have regular access to a Twinair 2014 Panda which I drive normally a few times a month.

The twin air is a nice engine but it's just not for me. The off gearing and constant thrum of the engine doesn't personally work for me. While is is more powerful than my fire engine, I find it somewhat less flexible especially in 4x4 guise where setting off and the redline are about 0.8 second apart and while it's quoted MPG is awesome, getting it requires driving like a my nan.....in normal driving the figures are more than a little fanciful especially if you like a decent B Road jaunt.

In comparison the 1.2 is free revving, smooth and consistent in its power delivery and getting close to the quoted MPG is more achievable. (Early Euro 6 cars had a crappy fuelling/Timing map from the factory which hobbled their driving performance, Fiat released a new map a while later that was uploaded to the car when serviced at a main dealer as a software update map. Once this was done the car is a totally different beast.)
They are also very hardy units, precious little goes wrong and if it does it's normally fairly easy to fix, while the Twinair has been more reliable then most expected, it's more fragile by design and as some on here can confirm, when it does fail or eat its DMF its repair costs can seriously sting.

For me the Pros of the fire engine are the best balance for me, I get very good economy, I've driven my Panda over the continent and would sit at 80-90mph all day where the law allows and it's quiet enough that it doesn't grate on me, whereas when I did the same in the Twinair I wanted a set of ear defenders and a new left leg as it had been vibrated to discomfort after 1000k in a day.

The pro's of the Twinair are that it is more powerful, it's acceleration is better and in theory it's more flexible. This is balanced out by being louder, more vibrations, a reputation for lack of decent fuel consumption and very careful maintenance needed to avoid future headaches.

As Murphyv said, proper maintenance is key. The 1.2 is more forgiving to abuse without biting you for lack of a better term, but needs a good thrashing once in a while to keep it loose and limber. The Twinair is a fairly stressed engine so needs careful oversight and a proactive mindset.

As for the Timing belt, there appears to be a point of confusion. I've seen some with 60k-6 year intervals which was the case with my 2012 Panda 1.2 but my 2015 has in the service book 8 years. I'm not sure if this is a error or a change in spec, I'd personally change between 48-60k depending on how intensively used it has been.

Try both and see how you feel about them, only you can feel what suits your driving style [emoji106]
 
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Air con is not standard fit on all models. ACC is available on the Eleganza and the 100HP and was an option. On Panda 3 the Pop does not have air con as standard.

Pros are its a great car and seems reliable. The 1.4 engine is a gem. Ghe twin air is a fine engine but not easy to use economically due to some weird throttle maps. It does perform well though.

Seat are imperfect with poor lumbar support 100HP excepted.

The only disadvantage are the ***** in Audi's BMW's etc that seem to like the smell of a Pandas exhaust and the sight of its muddy bottom.

Albeit a gentleman in a 2017 reg 320 did a courteous act that surprised me so much I nearly didnt' know how to react! There are some normal drivers of them. As my wife said though, he obviously is very new to BMW and hasn't learned how to be rude and obnoxious yet.......... Anyway thankyou Mr polite BMW man a ray of sunshine!
 
Seat are imperfect with poor lumbar support.

No change there from the previous model then.

I rate car seats by time (as in how long you can drive one before the body starts to complain). IMO the Panda/500 have 2hr seats. Absolutely fine for a city car, and tolerable on long journeys.

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The best I ever had was a BMW320i from about 1986; at first it felt like you were sitting on a plank, but after a 14hr drive with a couple of short stops, my back didn't feel a thing. Covered the ground pretty effortlessly, too; if I ever were to run a neo-classic, it's one I'd consider - the 6cyl engine ran like a sewing machine.

Traded it for a R25; at first it felt like you were sitting in an armchair, but after a 14hr drive, all you wanted to do was get out and sit on a nice comfortable plank.
 
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Landrover freelander2 - as a passenger, 3hr trip to pick up my multijet and my ass and back where in agony.

After 20mins walking round the yard i felt better again, drove the stilo home and didnt feel a thing... very comfy and great on long drives... got a trip to redditch coming up and looking forward to the comfy drive :)
 
Possibly going to look at a Twin air lounge in Edinburgh next week, with 14k on the clock. I assume they all come with Bluetooth phone connectivity?
 
If the Panda one I think you mean (2014 in black) it has it. Was optional from new. Appears standard on revised spec from beginning of this year. Hope this helps. Service history should be as described, between 2 and 3 it should have. I'd walk away if it hasn't.
 
If the Panda one I think you mean (2014 in black) it has it. Was optional from new. Appears standard on revised spec from beginning of this year. Hope this helps. Service history should be as described, between 2 and 3 it should have. I'd walk away if it hasn't.

Yes, it's a black one. Priced @ £4995, with no trade in this should be negotiable I would have thought.
 
If the Panda one I think you mean (2014 in black) it has it. Was optional from new. Appears standard on revised spec from beginning of this year. Hope this helps. Service history should be as described, between 2 and 3 it should have. I'd walk away if it hasn't.

Id agree regarding the servicing. Make sure there is receipts for services not just stamps in the book. If there are no receipts ask for copies if the dealer is Fiat authorised. Mine only came with stamps and I have total proof that no service was done for the 18,000 mile one even though it had a stamp in the book. On the TA it is vital they have been done on schedule and with the correct oil etc it is more of an issue than on the 1.2 so yes please check thoroughly and walk away if the dealer is not forthcoming.
Good Luck.
 
Been in trade since 17th Feb, tax free. MOT until end of next March. am sure there's a deal to be had. (y)
 
Regarding batteries comment from JRK, Euro Car Parts doing 35% off batteries until 19th. They've always a sale on though. £98.79 sounds a bargain to me. In theory you can relax for 3 years. Or certainly this winter.
 
Also got a 1.2 Easy to look at on the same day with only 7k on the clock 65reg. Will this still have phone connectivity?
 
Also got a 1.2 Easy to look at on the same day with only 7k on the clock 65reg. Will this still have phone connectivity?

Hard to say.
My 2014 1.2 Lounge has no phone connectivity, Id like to retro fit it and a wheel with the controls but am unsure if I can.
Being a over a year newer the "Easy" may have it, could be the original owner may have specified it too.
 
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