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1.2, 69hp, £12,995 ?...

... it's no Trekking...
Yeah - I noticed they've ditched the twin air. I guess because that would make it too expensive? It seems that 13k is a lot for this so maybe the Twin Air would have taken it up towards the 14k mark?
 
Yeah - I noticed they've ditched the twin air. I guess because that would make it too expensive? It seems that 13k is a lot for this so maybe the Twin Air would have taken it up towards the 14k mark?


In Italy the City Cross gets the 1.2 and the diesel. This exercise seems to be more about better margins. There's clearly a large market for the 4x4 'look' and at £13000 before discounts this does seem a bit expensive. Sit back and wait for the discounts.
 
A quick check of online prices shows that a "real" Panda Cross, 4x4 and Twin Air engine can be purchased for around £13,500. If Fiat are serious this new version needs to retail at £11,000 to £11,500?
 
A quick check of online prices shows that a "real" Panda Cross, 4x4 and Twin Air engine can be purchased for around £13,500. If Fiat are serious this new version needs to retail at £11,000 to £11,500?

I'm sure it will be available for £11,000 in a month or two. Not retail, but once the discounts kick in.
 
I'd like to see the 500e over here. Everyone else seems to offer electric models but for some reason you can only get the 500e in the US.

IIRC Sergio Marchionne (CEO of Fiat Chrysler) is on record as having said Fiat lose $14000 on every 500e they sell.

Might go some way to explaining why they don't offer it in other markets.
 
IIRC Sergio Marchionne (CEO of Fiat Chrysler) is on record as having said Fiat lose $14000 on every 500e they sell.

Might go some way to explaining why they don't offer it in other markets.
And I guess why there's not an electric Panda. I seem to remember there was a hydrogen one - or at least a 'concept' hydrogen Panda.
 
Personally I think hybrids are the way forward, at least until there are significant improvements in battery technology.

If I could run 40 miles on electric power, I'd save 80-90% of the petrol I use. Cutting out all the short journeys of a few miles from cold would both improve overall fuel economy when running on petrol, and significantly reduce engine wear.

In colder climates, more thought is needed on cabin heating for electric cars. I'd like to see something like an electric storage heater; getting into a toasty warm car on a cold winter's morning would be an added benefit.
 
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Personally I think hybrids are the way forward, at least until there are significant improvements in battery technology.

If I could run 40 miles on electric power, I'd save 80-90% of the petrol I use. Cutting out all the short journeys of a few miles from cold would both improve overall fuel economy when running on petrol, and significantly reduce engine wear.
Wasn't the Twin Air originally designed with a hybrid in mind? After all the IC part is very compact.
 
Yes, cutting off 2 cylinders was mend for making space for a electro motor between engine and gearbox.


Right.


I wonder if those Renault Zoe drivers carry a bouncy-castle spec petrol generator in the back seat, just in case?


Out of idle curiosity I was looking at Electric motorbikes tother day on the internet. I was expecting some hairdryer-powered scooters but there's some seriously powerful bikes out there. Presumably not in the UK.
 
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