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Re: New Panda City Cross 4x2.

So the video shows the Cross and the City Cross both tackling the rough(ish) stuff. They missed a trick there. They should have found a really steep, loose bit, shown the Cross romping up it, and then the City Cross scrabbling for grip, and sliding ignominiously back down.
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Re: New Panda City Cross 4x2.

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So the video shows the Cross and the City Cross both tackling the rough(ish) stuff. They missed a trick there. They should have found a really steep, loose bit, shown the Cross romping up it, and then the City Cross scrabbling for grip, and sliding ignominiously back down.

Nah, what they should have shown was the monstrous bill the 4x4 owner had to pay for having their rear-disks replaced at 20000 miles whilst the City-Cross owner was half-parked on the pavement outside Mothercare, sipping a 4 coffee.
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Re: New Panda City Cross 4x2.

They've been very cagey with the photos, but this one gives it away - drum brakes at the back Still a nice looker, though.

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They've been very cagey with the photos, but this one gives it away - drum brakes at the back Still a nice looker, though.

Drum brakes work perfectly fine on the rear , require less attention than rear discs and wheels stay Cleaner.

Is it just for looks rear discs are wanted?
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Re: New Panda City Cross 4x2.

With a full boot, or passengers in the back, I'll definitely take the disc brakes, thank you very much!

I've never understood this fixation about how brakes look. Caked with mud, you can hardly see the wretched things anyway. It's all about how they stop you.
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With a full boot, or passengers in the back, I'll definitely take the disc brakes, thank you very much!

I've never understood this fixation about how brakes look. Caked with mud, you can hardly see the wretched things anyway. It's all about how they stop you.
Interesting, have you had a bad experience with rear disc brakes?
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Interesting, have you had a bad experience with rear disc brakes?

If he had an Alfasud in the 1980s, the answer will be yes........


Drums do the job - there's so little effort needed from the back brakes on a 950kg car anyway. The only dislike on drums is changing the shoes.


My point was more about the rear-disks on the 4x4 and the fact that you need to pull the hub to change them. That's even worse than trying to stretch the springs on a pair of brake shoes!


Still no formal announcement on the City Cross. Not a fan of the blue but it looks tasty in white. I may as well sell my YE11 number plate to GAR074.
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Re: New Panda City Cross 4x2.

If it's YE11 OWS, you may well have a buyer!
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Re: New Panda City Cross 4x2.

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Interesting, have you had a bad experience with rear disc brakes?
No, but there've been occasions, with rear drums and a full load, when I've wanted more stopping power. But I take AB100's point that in a small, light car, the case for rear discs is less compelling. And the Panda's rear disc set-up is just bonkers.
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No, but there've been occasions, with rear drums and a full load, when I've wanted more stopping power. But I take AB100's point that in a small, light car, the case for rear discs is less compelling. And the Panda's rear disc set-up is just bonkers.
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Rear drums give roughly the same stopping power as rear discs .
The limiting factor on rear braking is the point at which the tyres start to loose grip with the road, mostly due to weight transfer to the front under braking.
Hence before electronic brake force distribution the need for load compensating valves , inertia valves , brake proportioning valves, brake force limiting valves etc etc

I guess if in the Alps , with a fully loaded car , driving spiritedly , with lots of frequent braking , it could be argued that the ability of discs to shed heat more readily than drums would be advantageous because the drum brakes could get hot enough to suffer hot fade.

I think the only way to know would be to take two identical cars except for rear brakes with identical rear loading and test them against each other.

In my experience on both types of set up the front brakes start to struggle due to heat build up before any sign of heat issues on the rear.
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If it's YE11 OWS, you may well have a buyer!

Nope. I bought it when they were issued and preferred YE11OWD. Six years later and still waiting for a 4-door Mito or a juicier Panda. In yellow.
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Nope. I bought it when they were issued and preferred YE11OWD. Six years later and still waiting for a 4-door Mito or a juicier Panda. In yellow.
Nice! My daughter and I saw a car with YE11OWZ driving away from Carrow Road a few years ago, and I still haven't heard the end of it!
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Re: New Panda City Cross 4x2.

City Cross now on the fiat.co.uk website. But configurator just takes you to the full Cross model. No doubt it will be fixed soon.
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City Cross now on the fiat.co.uk website. But configurator just takes you to the full Cross model. No doubt it will be fixed soon.
Ha, and it looks like there's even a 'pack' to make it look like the real thing!
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Re: New Panda City Cross 4x2.

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In my opinion,
Rear drums give roughly the same stopping power as rear discs .
The limiting factor on rear braking is the point at which the tyres start to loose grip with the road, mostly due to weight transfer to the front under braking.
Hence before electronic brake force distribution the need for load compensating valves , inertia valves , brake proportioning valves, brake force limiting valves etc etc

I guess if in the Alps , with a fully loaded car , driving spiritedly , with lots of frequent braking , it could be argued that the ability of discs to shed heat more readily than drums would be advantageous because the drum brakes could get hot enough to suffer hot fade.

I think the only way to know would be to take two identical cars except for rear brakes with identical rear loading and test them against each other.

In my experience on both types of set up the front brakes start to struggle due to heat build up before any sign of heat issues on the rear.

Did Fiat not pioneer drums with cooling fins?? Nowt wrong with decent sized drums on the back, long lasting, out of the muck and a far better hand brake than any disc set up can do.
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