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Euro 6 engine software update letter?

Has anyone else received a letter from FIAT regarding "Vehicle Service Campaign Notification - FIAT Panda 4x4 with 1.3 MultiJet Euro 6 Engine - Engine Control Module Software Update"? It also has "Campaign Ref 6026" on it.

I can see that it is supposed to "improve emission performance in real driving conditions", which is nice. What the letter doesn't say is if there are any potentially negative effects from having this update.

I can't find anything by Googling and am wondering if anyone else has any idea if there are any downsides?
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

A relation of mine, with a 2013 1.4 Diesel Yaris got a similar sounding letter from Toyota the other day...

Seems to be a bigger than Fiat issue, would love to hear if it is affecting performance too! :/
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Euro 6 engine software update letter?

Probably the manufacturers trying to cover their backsides regarding the emissions scandal like vw got caught out doing.
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

Yup. Of course it is. I'm absolutely fine about the reasons why. I'm just a bit concerned that it might make the motor sluggish, or less fuel efficient, or a bit of both.

I've also noticed that I put this in the wrong forum and am not sure if it is even applicable to the pre-2012 Panda. Any idea what I need to do to move it into the correct Panda forum?
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

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Has anyone else received a letter from FIAT regarding "Vehicle Service Campaign Notification - FIAT Panda 4x4 with 1.3 MultiJet Euro 6 Engine - Engine Control Module Software Update"? It also has "Campaign Ref 6026" on it.

I can see that it is supposed to "improve emission performance in real driving conditions", which is nice. What the letter doesn't say is if there are any potentially negative effects from having this update.
Let's just consider the following completely hypothetical statement for a minute:-

"In order to reduce the chance of <insert almost any current manufacturer here> being landed with a massive EU penalty for selling a vehicle which is incapable of meeting its homologated emissions limits in real world driving, please bring the car to your nearest dealership so that we can install modified software which will reduce its performance, worsen its economy and shorten its expected service life."

Now I've no idea whatsoever if there is any truth in this statement, but if there is, I wonder if any manufacturer would be completely open and up front about it .

Let's just say I wouldn't want to be one of the first folks having this update installed. In the absence of detailed technical information about exactly what the update does, published by an independent testing laboratory, I'd be concerned about this too.
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

This upgrades are like the bloatware Microsoft constantly shoves onto our computers. It makes them run ever more slowly so you'll be forced to "upgrade" to a "better" machine.

So why would car ECU be any different? Just have it remapped and refuse to allow any dealer "upgrades".

Job done.
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This upgrades are like the bloatware Microsoft constantly shoves onto our computers. It makes them run ever more slowly so you'll be forced to "upgrade" to a "better" machine.

So why would car ECU be any different?
No reason at all.

And, like modern phones and computers, the hardware will be locked, specifically to try to stop anyone doing this. That's not to say it can't be done, but it'll get increasingly difficult, and I'd bet money there'll be a hidden anti-tamper flag somewhere that detects any attempt to modify the code, so that even trying will invalidate the warranty.

I'd bet any money you like that, whatever the software update does, once you've installed it, there's no possibility of backward reversion.

I've worked on a couple of computers lately for which the manufacturer had released BIOS 'upgrades' that effectively prevented anyone subsequently running an unsigned boot loader - and there is no way back once they've been installed.
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

Dilemma.
As said above, this is possibly a response to the VW scandal, so will likely reduce performance.
If the vehicle is still under warranty, will NOT having it done potentially invalidate that warranty, in the same way a third party remap would do?

If mine, I'd write back to Fiat and ask for some details about what it is supposed to fix, as I feel the vehicle is working very well as it is. Ask them specifically what is likely to befall you and the vehicle if it is not done, suggest it is inconvenient for some time, so will it be OK meanwhile? Put them on the spot.
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

Ridiculous that VW still have no penalty in the EU for what they did. And Germany trying to ban Fiat sales etc.

Not sure if the update will bloat the car the way bloat ware on our PCs will, I think the ECU is so simple in its programming that they'll simply retune it by replacing numbers with other numbers which will in turn control the machinery differently. ...though I bet the net result will be sluggish performance as with and 'Eco' tuning :-(
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

That's my point.

My brother runs an old Windows XP computer that's never been updated. It works just as well as it ever did though to be fair he does not connect it to the internet.

OEM changes to the car's computer are heading the same way. Goodness help us when they are "connected".
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

BRP who own Skidoo and Evinrude brands also own Rotax. When the US EPA really tightened the off road emissions rules manufacturers really had to step up.

The snowmobile makers fitted bigger engines with all sorts of power and energy guzzling emissions controls. The problem was cold start and bigger engines suffer the most on cold start.

Rotate went the opposite way and produced a direct inject 2 stroke that easily beat all the emissions demands including cold start smoke and HCs. Its also considerably more powerful AND uses less fuel than the competition.

147bhp from an 800cc twin cylinder with better fuel consumption than the competing 1200 4 strokes and even they can't match the power output.

https://www.rotax.com/en/products/ro...800-e-tec.html
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Quote Originally Posted by portland_bill View Post
Dilemma.
As said above, this is possibly a response to the VW scandal, so will likely reduce performance.
If the vehicle is still under warranty, will NOT having it done potentially invalidate that warranty, in the same way a third party remap would do?

If mine, I'd write back to Fiat and ask for some details about what it is supposed to fix, as I feel the vehicle is working very well as it is. Ask them specifically what is likely to befall you and the vehicle if it is not done, suggest it is inconvenient for some time, so will it be OK meanwhile? Put them on the spot.
I have no desire to be at the front of the queue. I'd just like to be better informed so that I can make a reasonable decision. It looks like there isn't any further info available so I'll get in touch with FIAT and will see what they say - which will probably be speak to the dealer, who won't know exactly what's going on. I'll let you know how I get on.
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

Seeing as this post relates to a Euro 6 engined Panda Cross, I suspect this is in the wrong forum. This is the forum for 2005-2012ish Pandas. Post 2012 Pandas are here: https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

It's actually a 6 month old standard 4x4. I did notice this question was in the wrong forum (item #4 ). Unfortunately I couldn't see how to move it and there have been no suggestions. Anyone have any idea how to do that?

P.S. emailed FIAT customers services on Friday Evening and await their reply.
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Re: Euro 6 engine software update letter?

I'd reckon that if you don't take the car in for the update, then they will most likely do the update at your next service anyway regardless if it's something you want or don't want.
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