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Fiat Panda 312/319

Hi guys,

Can someone please explain the difference between panda type 312 and 319?

Why do they have different type no?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

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Hi guys,

Can someone please explain the difference between panda type 312 and 319?

Why do they have different type no?

Thanks in advance!

The 319 is the latest Panda and the 169 was the preceding squarer model.


The 312 was successfully raced by Ferrari in the 1970s. It had a transverse gearbox and four wheels, just like the Panda.
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

I always thought this current model was a 319 and a 312 was a tractor from the late '50's.
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

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Hi guys,

Can someone please explain the difference between panda type 312 and 319?

Why do they have different type no?

Thanks in advance!
As pointed out by AB100 above, the 319 is the correct model number for the current Panda. But for whatever reason, there are plenty of advertising and selling folks around the flea-markets that seem to think it's a 312, which it isn't.
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

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Hi guys,

Can someone please explain the difference between panda type 312 and 319?

Why do they have different type no?

Thanks in advance!
The 319 code is for the Panda, the 312 code is for the 500, but because they are build on the same platform/floorplan the 312 code is used, it is even on the registration certificate. (in the Netherlands at least)
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

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The 319 code is for the Panda, the 312 code is for the 500, but because they are build on the same platform/floorplan the 312 code is used, it is even on the registration certificate. (in the Netherlands at least)
Ah you are wise Pretender - well pointed out Sir!
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

Thanks a lot for all your answers
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

somewhere in some document, probably in the CoC there is something that connects Panda with type 312 because swedish authorities have same info just like Dutch authorities as described by The pretender. Does anyone still have a copy of CoC and can have a look? 🙂
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

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somewhere in some document, probably in the CoC there is something that connects Panda with type 312 because swedish authorities have same info just like Dutch authorities as described by The pretender. Does anyone still have a copy of CoC and can have a look? 🙂
I don't, but remember that a 500 is actually just a Panda in a cocktail dress, so the link is very close regardless of the different model number definition.
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

If I'm not mistaken, the previous Panda was the first Fiat Small Car platform vehicle. Small tweaks to the platform birthed the 500, then tweaks to that (wheelbase, width) birthed the 500X and 500L, which then led to the Jeep Renegade, while the current Panda is based on the modified 500 architecture (which was originally based on the previous Panda) so the ancestry all leads back to the Panda. It's really a shame, as FCA has been running on fumes regarding R&D, and all the platforms are now long in the tooth. The new Tipo/Egea is an appropriation of the Dodge Dart, which has already been all but discontinued in the U.S. so unless they get their act together and push some new modular architecture through development they'll be falling behind other manufacturers in all segments.
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If I'm not mistaken, the previous Panda was the first Fiat Small Car platform vehicle. Small tweaks to the platform birthed the 500, then tweaks to that (wheelbase, width) birthed the 500X and 500L, which then led to the Jeep Renegade, while the current Panda is based on the modified 500 architecture (which was originally based on the previous Panda) so the ancestry all leads back to the Panda. It's really a shame, as FCA has been running on fumes regarding R&D, and all the platforms are now long in the tooth. The new Tipo/Egea is an appropriation of the Dodge Dart, which has already been all but discontinued in the U.S. so unless they get their act together and push some new modular architecture through development they'll be falling behind other manufacturers in all segments.
As far as I know the 500L is based on the (Grande) Punto platform and the 500x is further development. This is not the same platform as the 500/Panda/Ka from what I understand.
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

I'm aware the platforms are ageing, but what disadvantage will it give Fiat?

(not inciting an argument, but I'm genuinely wondering what disadvantage it puts them in)
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I'm aware the platforms are ageing, but what disadvantage will it give Fiat?

(not inciting an argument, but I'm genuinely wondering what disadvantage it puts them in)

Wise point. They could make the 500 out of manure and it'd still sell.


The average buyer looks for price/economy, looks, toys and warranty. Otherwise we'd all be in Picantos.
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

TheR is right, the GP/Corsa was the base for the larger 500s, but it's still a platform dating back to 2002.

Before we get into the nitty gritty, I must state that I am by no means a final authority on these matters, but I like to follow market analysis and corporate news from the automotive world to keep up with future possibilities in the car market and regarding personal ownership. As such, a lot of what I discuss below is either observational or speculative as far as future trends are concerned.

Not having newer platforms in development would mean they'd fall behind the competition eventually. Newer more rigid chassis designs would provide better handling (not many have come close to replicating the Fiesta in this regard), more interior space (through better design of structural elements allowing for more interior volume), and a key aspect that's always shifting is safety (new small offset impact tests have been the bane of older platforms as they simply can't compete with newer cars that have been designed with these tests and crash circumstances in mind).

All things aside, as AB100 said certain aspects of vehicle ownership negate the whole discussion, otherwise we'd all follow the old Soviet one-car approach and be done with it. What worries me about FCA is that it seems they've poured money into their more elite brands (Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa), while the bread and butter Fiat has been regurgitating the 500. The strategy might save money for a while, but since Ferrari is a lower volume seller in the FCA holdings, it wouldn't impact the long term profitability of the company as a whole. Maserati is struggling to compete with rivals, mainly due to the fact that at that price point, people wanting a good looking "sporty" car aren't willing to put up with the compromises it comes with compared to, say, German or British rivals. The Alfa range has been a plethora of rebranded optioned and tarted up Fiats for a while now, and initial reviews of the new RWD Giulia (while raving about the return of RWD to Alfa) seem to indicate it's in no position to unsettle the BMW 3 series from the throne in that class. It didn't need to be a blockbuster and knock out the 3 series right out the gate, but it seems to fall behind on some of the fundamental expectations in that class of cars.

This all brings us back to Fiat. If Fiats sell well, FCA makes more money to spread around the corporate offices and other brands as well as returning the investment into making better Fiats and providing better dealership and ownership experiences (thus ensuring return customers). As it currently stands though, chugging along on the novelty of the 500 isn't a sustainable business model for much longer. For example, VW and Renault both have global modular platforms (MQB and CMF), and architecture from which they can derive everything from dinky cheap runabouts for emerging markets to large off-roaders. As such, they are in a position where a few months of development is all they need to fill a market gap and get sales. Fiat, lacking such an architecture, has to compete in a global market without an easily adaptable platform and therefore is likely to miss out on sales.

Where does this leave us? As dealers get more frustrated, odds are they'll turn to different brands. This in turn leaves us without dealers to resolve issues with, and buyers without dealers to purchase, all resulting in a vicious cycle in which Fiat sells even less cars and has even less money. As the end users, we might run out of support for our vehicles, or out of hope of finding new ones (Fiats) that we want.
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Re: Fiat Panda 312/319

Yes, and in that line, i have not much hope for the next generation Panda either.
Based on info's online, the next generation small Fiat's will be based on either the "X1H" or "X6H" platform.
Both are old modified platforms so far i understand. :thumbs:

For example: next gen VW Polo and Audi A1 will also move to MQB floorplan, because it's so adjustable to suit any transverse VAG car all the way up to the VW Passat.
The floorplan is even so adjustable that they can even turn it around 180º to build rear engined cars on it, i believe the VW Bluesport Roadster Concept was build on it.
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