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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

Has anyone done this yet? Went to do it today and got stuck with no Torx sockets. At this point I thought I would look up for instructions and the only thing I can find is this thread. So before I get back to it when I get my new sockets.

Has anyone done it?
Is it really this complicated?
Are there any online instructions?
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

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Has anyone done this yet? Went to do it today and got stuck with no Torx sockets. At this point I thought I would look up for instructions and the only thing I can find is this thread. So before I get back to it when I get my new sockets.

Has anyone done it?
Is it really this complicated?
Are there any online instructions?
Hi, haven't done it myself, but you need to pul the hubs to get the discs off, Fiat dealers have a tool for this that reduces the risk of splitting the bearing, so I bought Pagid discs and pads and got the dealer to fit , cost £216 inc VAT for the labour.
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

Bump in case anyone can shed some light on doing this as a DIY job.
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

I had my rear 4x4 discs done earlier this rear and they said they had to drop the rear axle. They broke an abs sensor doing it but replaced it for free they priced the job not realising the work required on the newer 4x4
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

I have a hunch that you need to disconnect the drive shafts from the differential, which will allow you to post them through the hubs to a degree, which then may (just) allow access to the hidden bolts. Whether you need to drop the axle to achieve this, I don't know, but I woudl be surprised.


There's a video here online that shows removing the rear discs on an Abarth 500 - similar looking arrangement, except of course without a driveshaft. See from about 2mins 25secs in.
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

Dear God! It should not be that difficult to replace rear disks!

Having said that, Fiat are not the only ones with "interesting" design features. I had (for a very short while) a 2.5 V6 Jag X type with 4x4. To change half the spark plugs you had to take the head off.....

I think I may be dropping this up to my specialist for rear disks - will have a crack at the fronts myself I think.
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

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Dear God! It should not be that difficult to replace rear disks!

Having said that, Fiat are not the only ones with "interesting" design features. I had (for a very short while) a 2.5 V6 Jag X type with 4x4. To change half the spark plugs you had to take the head off.....

I think I may be dropping this up to my specialist for rear disks - will have a crack at the fronts myself I think.
The fronts are a doddle... and on the earlier (2005-12) model, so were the rears. Not sure why they have chosen to make it more difficult on the newer model.
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

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"If I ever meet the person who designed that ......."
Can anybody advise on an appropriate form of words to complete the sentence?
Yes but it would be edited off the site. If it proves to cost as much as quoted on here I will take them and the selling dealer to court under the Sale Of Goods Act and sue for not fit for the purpose for which sold and I will be inviting the worlds motoring press to the hearing!
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

quick question - anyone know which direction to turn the brake retraction tool for the piston to give space for new pads? I think driver side is clockwise (UK Spec right hand car)?
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

On my (older) 100HP it's clockwise on both sides.
Stilo was counterclockwise on the leftside (that would be my driversside)

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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

Well it appears to be the same on the new 319 4x4 Panda as the old one - clockwise for both sides. If its not, I have busted a caliper and will find out shortly....
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

Hi all,
I am mid way through changing rear disk rotors and pads on 2014 panda 4x4 Cross.
There is a simple solution.
I will post pictures tomorrow if it is not too wet.
Jack up car, remove road wheel.
Remove the slider pin bolts on caliper and lift it free.
Now because the caliper guide frame (8mm hex) bolts are obscured, we must renove the 4 star-head / torx bolts that hold the hub to the trailing arm.
I used a 14mm “wall drive” socket - it fits!
These are hard to reach so you need a long ratchet or breaker bar and short and long extensions - percevere!!
It is vital that the last one you undo is the lower rear as it is easiest to remove (i applied wd40 to all).
Once all of these awkward bolts are out, the hub will move freely.
There is a fair amount of wiggle room and wiggle you must.
Rotate the hub a bit until the first 8mm hex head is lined up with that odd cut-out in the back end of the training arm assembly. Stick hex wrench in and remove it. Now rotate hub and line up the other 8mm hex head with the cut-out and remove it. (I stuck a meaty screw driver into the guide frame to prevent it rotating and damaging cv boot as I undid the hex bolts.
Now the caliper guide frame is free.
Remove the pins from the disk (12mm ring spanner).
Tap the disk free from the hub.
Now build back up with new disk rotor, pads etc.
Take care to remove all rust scale under the spring clips and lubricate carefully with the correct lubricant to prevent pads sticking in the caliper as this will trash your disk again.
Use threadlock where needed.
I hope this is useful!
No need to remove driveshaft, hub bearing, or hub nut. Integrity of hub bearing is not affected.
Do the dealers know about this?
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Here are some pictures that illustrate my successful attempt at changing of the rear disk rotors and pads on my 2014 4x4 Cross.
See the post above for relevance.
As ever, I hope this helps someone...

Pic 1 - i am pointing at the cut-out in the rear trailing arm.

Pic 2 - this is a 14mm wall-drive socket - it fits the star/torx head bolts which fasten the hub to the trailing arm

Pic 3 - the star/torx head bolt.

Pic 4 - the 8mm hex bit in the 8mm hex bolt which secures the caliper guide frame to the hub.

Happy trails!
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

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Hi all,
...
Rotate the hub a bit until the first 8mm hex head is lined up with that odd cut-out in the back end of the training arm assembly. ...

Do the dealers know about this?
Thank you!
Good to see that in fact the designers did think about this - why else would that 'odd cut out' be there? But, how easy was it to reach the four bolts holding the hub assembly? Could you do it off a jack or was the car on a lift?
I bet the dealers do know... but only if they choose to find out
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Can anybody advise on an appropriate form of words to complete the sentence?
Yes but due to forum rules I can't tell you!
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