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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

Mind if I ask what sort of mileage you are doing? Don't think I have ever replaced front certainly not back discs or drums on any car up to 120k or more. Run most up to 80k or so. Are these parts high wear, do you do a lot of hill driving involving heavy braking?
Should add most driving has been cruising and tend to coast into junctions. .
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Hi Andy, bought ours a Nov 2013 reg at Christmas, T/A 4x4. Didn't look closely it was dark and in a hurry, but it only had 12k on the clock, genuine dealer car, couple of months later had a good look round and discovered the front discs were completely shagged, rears didn't look to clever either, my trusty local guy confirmed the discs were gone, pitted and scored very badly, possibly due to infrequent use, rears though ugly would clean up and 8mm on the pads, I decided to replace all round with Pagid discs and pads... Until the problem with the rears, so next time for those.
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Ah ok, had not factored in infrequent use. Notice rust on discs forms overnight on most cars.. . Must a big factor. Cheers
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

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Mind if I ask what sort of mileage you are doing? Don't think I have ever replaced front certainly not back discs or drums on any car up to 120k or more. Run most up to 80k or so. Are these parts high wear, do you do a lot of hill driving involving heavy braking?
Should add most driving has been cruising and tend to coast into junctions. .
I think the issue here is related to the 4x4 system. I too have never really seen much wear on rear discs or pads on other cars. But the rear discs/pads of my Panda 4x4 seem to wear just as quickly as the fronts do. My previous 2005 model I replaced rear pads twice and discs once and it looks like the newer one (now at 30k miles) is going to be the same. I can't explain why this is though... normally brake limiting valves, rear load sensors etc mean the rear bakes do little work and so don't wear out that fast. But the 4x4 seems to use front and rear brakes in roughly equal amounts.
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Thanks Herts Hillhopper for posting the pics, you've saved me from having to dodge the showers and get under the car. I was going to have another scrabble about to see if a I had missed a hidden cover or hole to access the calliper bolts.
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

Hi guys, anyone found if the bearings split on removing the hubs, is it sensible to replace them anyway.
And have any of you clever Internet search gurus found replacements that don't call for removing your underwear at the stealer?

I'm in the USA for awhile longer, and will need to do something about wifeys pride and joy when I get back.

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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

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Mind if I ask what sort of mileage you are doing? Don't think I have ever replaced front certainly not back discs or drums on any car up to 120k or more. Run most up to 80k or so. Are these parts high wear, do you do a lot of hill driving involving heavy braking?
Should add most driving has been cruising and tend to coast into junctions. .
I thought I replied to this question but can't see it now... Since brake pads stopped containing asbestos, the material they are made from is much 'harder' and causes more wear to the discs. Whereas years ago a disk would outlast several sets of pads, now it is not at all uncommon to have replace the pads and the disks at the same time. Certainly disks will need replacing every second set of pads. Most discs have a minimum thickness that, once gone beyond can result in the disc cracking and failing. This minimum thickness is sometimes stamped as a number (in mm) onto the outer rim of the disc. My 2005 4x4 had the front discs replaced at about 30k miles, again at about 60k and also not long before I sold it. I think the rear discs were only replaced twice in that time (the rears are solid, not vented and so can wear further before needing to be replaced). On the 2005 4x4 I could replace all the discs and all the pads in under 2 hours (DIY) . It was all very easy to reach and do-able with pretty standard tools. The new 4x4 seems to have made this (1) very difficult, to say the least and (2) needs 'inside out' Torx sockets too
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

Brakes on the Panda 4x4 (2013 model) suddenly started binding, fortunately less than a mile from home. Removed the hot rear wheel and found the dust shield (described as “Protection” in the parts list) had come adrift and was rubbing against the disc.

Fortunately no scoring ordamage to the disc. The damaged shield is something I could repair in a few minutes work with the MIG, but there is no way it can be re-fitted without dismantling the hub bearings. Judging from the diagram, it seems to be held in place by pop-rivets, so I imagine they must have all worked loose and/or sheared off. What a crazy design! https://www.fiatdalys.lt/en/catalog/...0/0/brake-pads

Think I shall probably just run without the shield, at least until there is some other reason to remove the disc.
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

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Holy Cow - that's almost up there with Porsche prices.... You could do the whole lot on the previous model for about £150! I am genuinely shocked and have a mind to pull a back wheel off to see if this is really the case.
Me too. If it costs this much I will be selling my 2017 Panda 4x4 before these need doing, and it will me my last Fiat!

Frankly I have never heard anything more preposterous!!!

This sounds like a serious case of needing a lot of don't buy one of these information putting out into the public arena. Who needs something as stupid as this?
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Brakes on the Panda 4x4 (2013 model) suddenly started binding, fortunately less than a mile from home. Removed the hot rear wheel and found the dust shield (described as “Protection” in the parts list) had come adrift and was rubbing against the disc.

Fortunately no scoring ordamage to the disc. The damaged shield is something I could repair in a few minutes work with the MIG, but there is no way it can be re-fitted without dismantling the hub bearings. Judging from the diagram, it seems to be held in place by pop-rivets, so I imagine they must have all worked loose and/or sheared off. What a crazy design! https://www.fiatdalys.lt/en/catalog/...0/0/brake-pads

Think I shall probably just run without the shield, at least until there is some other reason to remove the disc.
Interesting to look at the price of parts - a bare TA engine is priced at 12000 euros, which seems pretty hefty.
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

Have searched on and off for months, I cannot find online replacement hubs for a 2013 4x4
New bearing kits for the front axle no problem, rears no luck, I could be wrong but the bearings in the rear hubs are non replaceable, hence complete hub needed but absolutely b****d if I can find a source, don't particularly want to approach the stealer I'm fond of my kidneys.
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"If I ever meet the person who designed that ......."
Can anybody advise on an appropriate form of words to complete the sentence?
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Have searched on and off for months, I cannot find online replacement hubs for a 2013 4x4
New bearing kits for the front axle no problem, rears no luck, I could be wrong but the bearings in the rear hubs are non replaceable, hence complete hub needed but absolutely b****d if I can find a source, don't particularly want to approach the stealer I'm fond of my kidneys.
I was told by a helpful dealer that they have a special tool to ensure that the bearings don't split apart when the disc is removed. Can't confirm the validity of this, but he said that most DIY attempts to change the discs result in buggered-up bits and they are forever trying to order just the bearings, but struggling as a full replacement hub is all that's listed. Again, not tried this myself to confirm the anecdote...
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I was told by a helpful dealer that they have a special tool to ensure that the bearings don't split apart when the disc is removed. Can't confirm the validity of this, but he said that most DIY attempts to change the discs result in buggered-up bits and they are forever trying to order just the bearings, but struggling as a full replacement hub is all that's listed. Again, not tried this myself to confirm the anecdote...
Interesting, I had the fronts replaced with Pagid at my local garage, I bought my wife's car from used from Arnold Clark in Inverness, will give them a call and price for the replacement using supplied Pagid parts.
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Re: 4x4 Rear brake discs

Hi, I bought new rear pads and discs yesterday and wish I saw this post first.

The pads come out easily, but the outer caliber is secured by torx bolts through the hub. I managed to loosen the disc and could probably loosen one of the torx bolts to be able to manoeuvre the disc out. I didn't have the right tool for this but sort of glad if you think the hub will need replacing.

I can't see why it would need replacing it looks like the disc would come out if the outer caliber was loose.
this is a 2014 4x4 panda.

does anyone have any further info or success stories?
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