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Old 25-11-2015   #16
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Re: short changed new order?

No reason why the standard 4x4 shouldn't also run on 185/65s, then. The Goodyear Vectors on the Cross are great in use (so far! - I've not had a chance to test them in snow yet, apart from last weekend's sprinkling, but they are v good on mud, and are fine for everyday road use) and the reviews of them have been very positive.

If they've run out of the Conti Winters, I wonder what they are now fitting as standard to the 4x4/Trekking? Not summer tyres, surely?!
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Quote Originally Posted by TempraTDSX View Post
...We have been told that M&S tyres have M&S written on them.
'M+S' on a tyre is no longer recognised in Europe to mean a winter tyre.

In many European countries, you have, by law, to run on winter tyres at certain times of year. The mark that shows that tyres are good enough is the '3 peak and mountain snowflake' (3PMSF) symbol on them. This confirms that the rubber remains grippy when cold (below 7C) and that the tread allows grip in snow. A 3PMSF tyre might not necessary be good in mud -- the fine 'sipes' (the thin wiggly cuts in the tread) that give snow and ice grip tend to clog in mud. The 'CrossContact' bit of the Continental tyres name references its off road , mud-plugging intention, summer or winter.

This nicely explains all: http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article...n-the-m-s-mark
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Quote Originally Posted by Herts Hillhopper View Post
I recently tried to get two new front tyres for my 4x4 - the Conti CrossContact Winters in 175/65R15. Eventually, having failed to find any available through the various wholesalers, the tyre place I go to got right through to Continental in Germany who said they had none, and wouldn't have for at least six months. I wonder if this is why Fiat changed the configurator?

I did track two down from Camskill in Cumbria and they are here now, waiting fitting.
MyTyres claim to have the Continental CrossContact in the correct size, in case you are still looking. Plenty of life in our CrossContacts after just 9k, even allowing for the extra depth required on M&S tyres to remain effective in the snow etc.
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MyTyres claim to have the Continental CrossContact in the correct size, in case you are still looking. Plenty of life in our CrossContacts after just 9k, even allowing for the extra depth required on M&S tyres to remain effective in the snow etc.
Thanks, yes, saw that... but already had from Camskill by then (similar price)
My 4x4 is at 25000 miles and tyre wear is good - rears still have 6mm tread, but fronts down to 3mm. For snow (and anywhere in Europe where you need winter tyres) minimum depth is 4mm, so replacing the fronts.
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Quote Originally Posted by TempraTDSX View Post
Thanks so much all for the amazing responses. Herts Hillhopper you are a legend! I'm going to compile a response back to my fiat garage and hope that they comply. One very important thing to note, the configurator was only updated about 5-6weeks ago to now reflect that if you choose the smoked alloys you have to tick the box to get worse tyres! when we placed the order this box didn't exist, and fortunately our print out of the spec states M&S tyres.

Wish me luck, i'm sure i'll need it in what's going to be a Loooooooong battle.

Thanks again all
Before you dive in with the dealer, if you do have the conti crosscontact winter as per standard 4x4, then they are marked mud and snow.

Take a look on the sidewall. You should find this marking.


this is the mud and snow mark.
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Before you dive in with the dealer, if you do have the conti crosscontact winter as per standard 4x4, then they are marked mud and snow.

Take a look on the sidewall. You should find this marking.


this is the mud and snow mark.
Extremely useful Deeyup and NO our tyres don't have any of those markings.
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Re: short changed new order?

Contacted the dealer yesterday, they said the tyres were all season but would investigate and get back to me. All season aren't M&S tyres are they?
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'All season' tyres will not necessarily have 'm+s' written on them but will always have that mountain and snowflake sign.

Continental don't make an all season car tyre. You previously said Continental EcoContact - that is a summer tyre and def. not all season or off road at all.

Potential candidates include Goodyear Vector (the standard fit on the Cross with the 'normal' wheels) , Dunlop SP4Seasons, Kleber Quadraxer, etc...

see this report for the 'best of this years bunch - and note in the photos how they all have a pretty 'aggressive' tread pattern too... http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2015-AutoBild-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm
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Re: short changed new order?

Pity the Continental CrossContact wasn't
tested, too - that would be a great comparison for us Panda drivers when it comes to tyre replacement! Though I'm always a little sceptical of such tests as I'm sure differing vehicles, sizes and fitments will impact which is best suited to a particular model.
I've been pleased with the Continental CrossContacts on our standard 4x4 (not Cross) in the weather we've had Feb-Nov. Seem sure footed in cooler damp conditions with decent control in the warmer dry conditions of summer. I guess we'll get to test them on the slippery stuff this winter....
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Re: short changed new order?

After doing a good few years and seasons in my previous car on Bridgestone A001 Weather Controls, I'd always recommend them as a good 4 season tyre. Unfortunately I'm not sure they whether or not they come in the right size for the Panda.
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Quote Originally Posted by Panda 4x4 TA Antarctica View Post
Pity the Continental CrossContact wasn't
tested, too - that would be a great comparison for us Panda drivers when it comes to tyre replacement!
It wouldn't have been in that test as that was for all season, not 'full winter' tyres (the CrossContact winter is the latter). But I think I did read a test somewhere - I'll see if I can find it.

[moments later: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article...-Tyre-Test.htm - note CrossContact 'best in snow' ]
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Confusingly, Tyrereviews don't classify ContiCrossContact Winter tyres as full winters - they describe them as all season! Conti's full winter tyres are called WinterContact. They are all tested here (with links to the comparison tests - the latest 2015 tests make interesting reading):

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/

That makes sense, as it would be a strange decision for a manufacturer to fit full winter tyres as standard to its 4x4s, many of which will never see any snow.
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Quote Originally Posted by gar074 View Post
Confusingly, Tyrereviews don't classify ContiCrossContact Winter tyres as full winters - they describe them as all season! Conti's full winter tyres are called WinterContact. They are all tested here (with links to the comparison tests - the latest 2015 tests make interesting reading):

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/

That makes sense, as it would be a strange decision for a manufacturer to fit full winter tyres as standard to its 4x4s, many of which will never see any snow.
Also, crucially, they are listed under 4x4 and SUV - back to the original thread, a cross on Summer tyres has lost its SUV potential... :-)
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My new Cross arrived with standard 4x4 wheels AND...............wait for it.............175/65 ContiEcoContact tyres! I ordered standard Cross wheels with 185 M&S tyres. My dealer is being great about it and is sending someone out next week with the correct wheel/tyre combo. Why the heck would Fiat fit Eco tyres on a Cross in the first place? MADNESS.
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Can't help but wonder how Tempra got on
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