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Old 05-02-2016   #91
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Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

Ta's are generally reliable, there have been reports of dodgy coils on early cars and the odd dodgy crank sensor IIRC, sounds like a fair dose of BS from your dealer - dirty oil!!? I'd reckon there's still a fault there waiting to be diagnosed correctly.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

33,000 miles in 4x4 TA with no hiccups. The problem has to be electronic, surely. Sparking plugs, dirty oil - nonsense.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

Hate to hear of people getting the run around like that. Sadly, 'mechanics' these days know only how to plug in the computer and then do what the stupid machine tells them. Genuine mechanical investigation and repair is an art only retained by those who work on old cars. Feel free to vent all you like, you'll get lots of support from old retro-grouchs like me.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

The 'dirty oil' answer is wrong, but not so if its a diesel (which I know this wasn't). In modern diesel cars with particulate traps, it is common for the oil to become contaminated by diesel fuel as part of the regeneration process. There is actually a sensor to detect this. On my MJ Panda, there is no 'prescribed' oil change interval, only 'when the degraded oil' warning shows (display shows 'oil change due'). But to use this as an excuse to a TA owner is not right.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

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There is actually a sensor to detect this
I believed it was a mathematical algorithm that calculates the oil condition based upon various parameters such as time/distance/temperature/rpm... rather than an actual sensor. Unless this is reset after an oil change it will not detect new oil.
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MN500 - I think its simpler than that and just counts regenerations. So, 'counter' rather than 'sensor'. Either way, TA shouldn't suffer 'dirty oil'...
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I believed it was a mathematical algorithm that calculates the oil condition based upon various parameters such as time/distance/temperature/rpm... rather than an actual sensor. Unless this is reset after an oil change it will not detect new oil.
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16,000 miles in probably one of the very first TA Crosses in the country and it hasn't missed a beat. Dirty oil is pure bovine scatology. I am afraid it probably will let you down again as the problem has not been correctly diagnosed😟 I would try another dealer, presumably it's still under Fiat UK warranty.
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