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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

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The manual says 9k or 12 months so pretty clear.

Annual service for Chichi then.

I wonder if new TA 500's are now 9k also? If not what's peculiar about the Cross? They've actually halved the service interval effectively which seems strange. My TA is going in for a service this week at 10k and 12 months old. Out of interest does your Cross take 0W oil or 5W?
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

The service intervals are Panda specific, not Cross specific.

The oil to use is stated as Selenia Digitek. Doesn't say the grade.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

Just searched Selenia Digitek.

It appears to be 0/30 not 5/40 like on my TA 500.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

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Some manufacturers allow you to go 1k over without invalidating the warranty. It should give details in your warranty booklet. If not, don't risk it, as they'll try to wriggle out of paying out for repairs under the warranty.
Yeah, that's what I'd be worried about.

Still a bit of a grey area IMO - potentially I'd have to get my car serviced every nine months to keep in with the warranty, which would be a bit of a joke really.

Anyway, I suppose the lesson to all reading this is to bring this up with the dealer before you sign on the dotted line.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

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The panda is a an astronomical price to service at many fiat dealers. My Caravelle is 1/2 the price to service with VW.
It seems they need to take a leaf out of Toyota's book and start fixed price servicing IMO.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

This will be to do with the uniair module on the twinair- it is a similar unit and technology to that of the multiair used in Alfa mitos, giuliettas amd puntos.
The units are very sensitive to correct oil, and a there have been a lot of failures with a lot of theory surrounding the oil not being good for 18k or 2 years.
Service intervals on multiair powered cars have also recently been cut, so most probably a precautionary measure.
Was always best to change oil yearly if it's a keeper anyway, so no biggy.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

On some Alfa's they've switched to 9000 mile intervals, but it's just an inspection at 9000 miles - the oil (still) doesn't get changed till 18,000 miles. Does the Panda manual give any details about what the 9000 mile inspection entails?

Tbh if it is a full service every 9000 miles then they need to serious reduce their servicing costs. Parents paid £375 for the service on their 500 TwinAir - steep every 2 years/18k miles but a definite no-no every 9k!
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

I may have misread this. Posted the relevant bits for the petrol versions.

Oil change is 30,000 Km's so just over 18k miles but if it's in for annual / 9k inspection, I'd get the oil & filter changed anyway.

Oil is definitely Selenia Digitek PE 0w/30.

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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

Thanks for posting your pics there, that's really helpful.

Well, you've been helpful anyway! Fiat certainly haven't...

When you actually read through all of the mandatory dots for the first 9k/1 year service, they don't actually replace ANYTHING. No oil, filter - nothing. They are literally checking your car over. I'd love to know what they are planning to charge for that!

It's only if you do less than 6,000 miles per year that you have to have an oil and filter change (I note they have changed the wording from "should" to "must", which is fair enough).

And you might need your spark plugs changing each year according to note 2 at the bottom, although it doesn't say what the conditions are. Great!

I literally have no idea what goes on in Fiat's mind. The existing 18k/2yr service schedule for the petrol engines was a little bit vague in places, but somehow they've managed to make it even more confusing?
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

Well, as I have now done over 2,000 miles in "Po" it won't be too long before I can tell you what this 9K "service" entails. Pricing it might be problematical as I am on a service plan.

Still waiting for new nose bits by the way, Fiat's parts delivery their usual inneficient selves
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

im going find it hard keeping up with a 9K service, [once a year i can cope with] but i rather have it around the same time each year, doing shift work i find it really hard making app for things for when im off.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

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Well, as I have now done over 2,000 miles in "Po" it won't be too long before I can tell you what this 9K "service" entails. Pricing it might be problematical as I am on a service plan.

Still waiting for new nose bits by the way, Fiat's parts delivery their usual inneficient selves

Shame you're still waiting for the bits . Have you got / posted a picture of the damage?
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

I haven't posted a pic for the simple reason I took a pic for my insurer and unless you squint and stand on one leg it looks just like you would expect a Cross to look. In reality it needs a new bonnet n/s head and fog light, one towing eye and a complete bumper/plate assembly. The Juke was a complete mess and undriveable with a totally borked n/s front wheel and suspension assembly. Probably not written off but a lot of suspension geometry work required. Doubtless the lacklustre handling of a non-clobbered Juke will forever be denied this example.😈
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A compulsory 9k mile inspection service with no oil/filter change is just money for old rope. Bet they charge over £100 for it. Con merchants.
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Re: Panda Twinair Cross - short service intervals

Its amazing how much that service schedule has changed from that in the handbook for my late 2013 4x4! I won' t post photos of that as it may confuse, but in my version it says replace TwinAir spark plugs every 18,000miles but with an asterisk linked to a a lot of statements about how critical it use to use the correct plug, to ensure the same type and brand is used and talks of this being 'vital to... prevent serious damage to the engine' -- seems Fiat are 'nervous' there?

Curiously, in my handbook there are no 'blobs' for any mileage/age for changing the engine oil on the diesel - but a statement with an asterisk saying wait for the warning message to show up, or do it every 24 months if the message doesn't show. (Because of the way the DPF is regenerated - the rate of degradation of the oil is affected by number of regens). This means the first things that say 'replace' rather than just 'check' don't happen until 42,000 miles!
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