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Cost. Over the long term, you simply can't run a BMW for Panda money.

Mind you, there's a lot more choice if you're paying 695 money, most of which are both more comfortable and more useable ;).

Back to topic, the Panda is all about cost; its single most attractive selling feature is value for money. If you buy a new base model and keep it, you might just be looking at the lowest cost/mile for new car ownership, period.

In the UK that's a limited, and shrinking market, in which the Asian brands compete strongly; it's likely just not sufficiently profitable for Fiat to put much effort into targeting that segment.

I meant better as in something which you’re going to sit in the Panda and find better than a 3 series in terms of the driving experience, comfort or performance.

My 3 series is the efficient dynamics model. , so silly MPG (circa high 60s and into 70s in the summer), relatively cheap tyres (not £170 like an M sport tyre!!!!) and cheap servicing.

I’m on track to do 36k miles in my first year and I’ve barely worn the pads on it, I’ve only just finished off the rear tyres which came with about 3 or 4 mm of tread when I got the car.

For what I’m doing with it it’s perfect, would I drive it as a city car like my Oanda generally was? God no.
 
This idiot (306maxi) is trying to claim that his old BMW box is cheaper to buy / own and whatnot than a Panda... amongst many other brash, anti-Fiat claims beyond belief! One does wonder what he hopes to achieve on these threads ..

Where have I said that my car was cheaper to own/buy than a Panda? I literally said above that it cost 1.5 Pandas!

As I said above, my employer has told me to come on here and bring Fiat down by talking about the Up and convincing people with Pandas to buy a car that’s 2-3k more expensive. For every person who messages me saying they’re buying an Up, I get a £500 commission! Why wouldn’t I? :chin:
 
Where have I said that my car was cheaper to own/buy than a Panda? I literally said above that it cost 1.5 Pandas!

As I said above, my employer has told me to come on here and bring Fiat down by talking about the Up and convincing people with Pandas to buy a car that’s 2-3k more expensive. For every person who messages me saying they’re buying an Up, I get a £500 commission! Why wouldn’t I? :chin:

Last week (further back on this thread) you were giving a run down of how it's cheaper to buy (used vs a new Panda), cheaper to run (mpg) and service and whatnot.... Could go back and screenshot it. But you know yourself.
 
Last week (further back on this thread) you were giving a run down of how it's cheaper to buy (used vs a new Panda), cheaper to run (mpg) and service and whatnot.... Could go back and screenshot it. But you know yourself.

Please do. People were saying that a BMW would be stupidly expensive to service, I said otherwise jrkitching can testify to the ridiculous service prices charged by Fiat on various models by the dealer network. I also said that it’s more economical over my sorts of journeys than a Panda would be. Here’s a photo of the trip computer from a trip to Leeds and back in the summer.

I went to Spa Francorchamps in Belgium with work last year for the 24 hour GT3 race with my wife and a car full of camping gear, it still did in the mid to high 60s.
 

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This idiot (306maxi) is trying to claim that his old BMW box is cheaper to buy / own and whatnot than a Panda...

For what he's using it for, it probably is. If you've the mechanical nous to avoid buying a dog, and you drive and service it sympathetically, a secondhand touring BMW is a more cost-effective motorway cruiser than you might think.

IMO anyone doing 35,000 miles/yr who buys a Panda needs therapy (as does someone who buys a BMW to drive 4000miles/yr on city streets).

You need to match the car to your requirements - there are no "one size fits all" solutions.

I'll give you another hint from a lifetime of car ownership. If you want best value, then forget about brand loyalty; it'll lead you into some poor purchasing decisions. A manufacturer (any manufacturer) is only as good as their last product. Every car buying decision needs to be made objectively, based on your needs and on what's available in the market at the time.
 
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Exactly, brand loyalty is for idiots. I like Fiats, another car I seriously considered was a 105 bhp twinair 500 but in retrospect I made the right decision. When I bought my 3 series I bought a year of extended warranty for it. As it is I’ve not needed to do any unscheduled work on it, not a single bulb, nada. My Panda needed the following doing in my 4 years with it. Rear dampers, rear brakes (twice), front suspension arms, front dampers, front droplinks, a new drivers seat, the Centre driveshaft support bearing needed doing but was non-serviceable and finally the gearbox spunked all of its oil out. Now mine was a 4x4 so was always going to be a little more trouble to be fair. I think we only did 25k miles in it during the 4 years we had it. The BMW has already done more mileage when I got it and I’ve done another 26 or 27k (I don’t count, it’s depressing) and needed no work doing. Maybe that will change tomorrow, maybe it won’t.
 
Some of us would like it to be a sensible thread for rumours of the next Panda. maybe the mods could keep it on track.
 
Some of us would like it to be a sensible thread for rumours of the next Panda. maybe the mods could keep it on track.

Rather. I mean I admire the OPs enthusiasm, but look back at the first post and you’ll see that there was meant to be a new Panda in 2018 which sadly isn’t going to happen, it’ll be a facelift at best. There was meant to be a tri-cylinder twinair based engine in 2015 and so many things which just haven’t happened.

Perhaps the OP should stop reading mindless speculation and repeating it on here to get people’s hopes up.
 
The thread doesn’t need locking - it’s a sensible debate at present and some good discussions going either way save for the pointless name calling.

Running costs - without a shadow of a doubt my Focus MK3 2.0 161bhp estate was far more cheaper to rub than my Grande 1.9 was.

I can’t see why in the long run the BMW wouldn’t be. It’s built for that type of mileage whereas a Panda isn’t.
 
I think the moderators will find that when certain members have stumbled across a few threads now, with the intention of criticising anybody who is optimistic / loyal toward Fiat cars (on a Fiat fan Forum) the thread has been hijacked and spun around in circles and degraded.. Disappointing to see and a sure shame to be a part of it.

Nothing wrong with people posting what they’d like to see on the next model. After all, anybody posting in the 2000s about Fiat renewing the 80’s Panda with a 5 door, tall bodied car as they did may have been called crazy!
 
On the subject of speculation. Has anyone else noticed the fact that FCA's share price has spiked from 17.59 to 21.60 since the 2nd January. Is some sort of announcement due? Maybe that Hyundai partnership that's being discussed or a spin-off?
 
I think the moderators will find that when certain members have stumbled across a few threads now, with the intention of criticising anybody who is optimistic / loyal toward Fiat cars (on a Fiat fan Forum) the thread has been hijacked and spun around in circles and degraded.. Disappointing to see and a sure shame to be a part of it.

Nothing wrong with people posting what they’d like to see on the next model. After all, anybody posting in the 2000s about Fiat renewing the 80’s Panda with a 5 door, tall bodied car as they did may have been called crazy!

There’s nothing wrong with saying what you want, but the OP sometimes seems to present opinion as fact.

If you really think I don’t like Fiats then you need to read what I’ve said, in fact you’ll see fewer people more critical of Fiat than jrkitching. Not because he hates Fiats, but because he’s got his eyes open to how things really are and sees the reliability problems which still give Fiat a bad reputation. Have a look at any of the typical reliability surveys and you’ll see that Fiats and Alfa’s just don’t do as well as they should do.
 
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