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Re: Facelift Fiat Panda 319.

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The TwinAir has as the 1.2 FIRE a cast iron block and a aluminum cylinder head.
A 1.2 flywheel only weigh 6.5 Kg.
The TA turbo has additional, Turbo, plumbing, intercooler, and so on.
Absolutely.
I wonder how much they both weigh less manifolds turbo and all the add ons and flywheels, this would then give a more accurate idea.
Back to my original thought of using the TA as the generators engine. No need for gearbox or DMF, possibly the non turbo unit would do and it could be fine tuned for torque for the generator. Perhaps just a thought and no doubt Fiat's engineers are far better than my musings.
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The later AC Invacars......though to be fair they had the Steyr-Puch 600cc lump.
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I actually worked for AC cars in the mid-60s when they were still making the invalid car - horrible device but a neat little engine - the Steyr Puch gave me the idea of putting a BMW 700 engine in the back of a 500 a few years later - a real little bomb and a Mini Cooper eater. More interestingly (!) we also made Cobras, including the Willment Cobra, which had the Frua-made body of a Fiat 8V.
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I actually worked for AC cars in the mid-60s......
....and suddenly I feel young. I remember drooling over Rod Leach's Cobras in the early 80s - back pages of Classic & Sportscar. I'd probably still drool over a Cobra but not figuratively this time and without the zest.

Most interesting/rare Euro 'two pot'? Citroen GS Birotor? Not really a two 'pot' though eh?
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Re: Facelift Fiat Panda 319.

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I actually worked for AC cars in the mid-60s when they were still making the invalid car - horrible device but a neat little engine - the Steyr Puch gave me the idea of putting a BMW 700 engine in the back of a 500 a few years later - a real little bomb and a Mini Cooper eater. More interestingly (!) we also made Cobras, including the Willment Cobra, which had the Frua-made body of a Fiat 8V.
I wonder how many car buffs realise AC made the Invycar? (Spelling may be wrong)
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The TwinAir has as the 1.2 FIRE a cast iron block and a aluminum cylinder head.
A 1.2 flywheel only weigh 6.5 Kg.
The TA turbo has additional, Turbo, plumbing, intercooler, and so on.
A turbo + intercooler I can understand how that adds weight. Why does the NA weigh more? Is it the stop/start system and beefed up battery?
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So this is your last TA then? I thought you liked them - didn't you tune your last one to 120 bhp?
Definitely my Last TA and maybe even my last Panda after 17.5+ years, who knows.
Next car wil have at least a 4 cilinder engine, being a Panda with new 1332cc Firefly engine or a next gen 500 with the same engine or a used 2017 Abarth 595 Turismo in "Grigio Campovolo"
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I don't think anybody will be investing too much in combustion engines in the future. Investment will go toward sustainable replacements since the ban in 2040 is on its way. Toyota etc seem to be quite invested in it, even BMW too are taking Electric serious. FIAT's FireFly could be its last big engine release
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I don't think anybody will be investing too much in combustion engines in the future. Investment will go toward sustainable replacements since the ban in 2040 is on its way. Toyota etc seem to be quite invested in it, even BMW too are taking Electric serious. FIAT's FireFly could be its last big engine release
So you think goverments around the world will no longer change the emission laws till 2040 and if not the motors that are coming out now will be able to meet anything thats thrown at them in the coming 23 years? I think thats highly unlikely.
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So you think goverments around the world will no longer change the emission laws till 2040 and if not the motors that are coming out now will be able to meet anything thats thrown at them in the coming 23 years? I think thats highly unlikely.


True. It is unlikely. But sooner or later the deadline will come around some key markets around the world and manufacturers will be silly to not start developing their technologies today.

Whoever researches more will probably be at an advantage when the day does come that cars must be alternatively fuelled .. who knows
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So the UK are banning the sale of petrol and diesel cars in 2040. So what about LPG powered IC engines? Is the ban worded Internal combustion engines...... or the two fossil fuelled cars. Now I do think this is an important facet of the ban. If LPG is allowed then I think the carmakers will continue to invest in improving the IC engine to run on gas and of course hydrogen.
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LPG is a fossil fuel.
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....and suddenly I feel young. I remember drooling over Rod Leach's Cobras in the early 80s - back pages of Classic & Sportscar. I'd probably still drool over a Cobra but not figuratively this time and without the zest.

Most interesting/rare Euro 'two pot'? Citroen GS Birotor? Not really a two 'pot' though eh?
As far as I recall, my basic wage was one shilling and eight pence an hour - eight and half pence today - as a semi-skilled machine shop operator. The firm still belonged to the Hurlock family and Derek Hurlock , who ran the factory, was known as "Mr Derek". His son-in-law, Edgar (don't recall his surname), ran the machine shop and had a habit of prematurely releasing objects that were being machined - this included the front hub of a Cobra - it left the lathe and passed between our heads, which it would have removed without slowing down, and the cylinder head of an old AC 6-cylinder engine that I was surface grinding. Interesting engine that had the chain drive to the overhead cam between the rear crankshaft bearing and the flywheel.
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LPG is a fossil fuel.
Not mentioned as far as I can tell in the government document though, one reason I only said about the two fossil fuels, petrol and diesel.
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Re: Facelift Fiat Panda 319.

I still hope FIAT will introduce the new GSE-Firefly engines in the Panda next year.
The 999cc 3 cylinder to replace the 1.2 FIRE and the NON turbo TwinAir.
And the 1332cc 4 cilinder to replace the 85 TwinAir.
And Mild Hybrid solutions for both versions.
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If FIAT need more time for the introduction of the Firefly engines, maybe they can start to put the 1,8 E.torQ 130 hp engine in the Panda.
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