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Old 22-08-2014   #16
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Re: Panda Start Stop Fix

Okay, so I can add to my earlier post. Went to my local fiat dealer to have the clutch pedal checked. There's a large switch assembly broken off the pedal. Apparently more common on the 500 , but affecting the panda too. They'll sort under warranty, but apparently it's an awkward job which requires the whole clutch pedal to be changed, an requires about 4 hands to do. I wonder if they'll look at the annoying dash rattle above the radio, and the knock on the rear end too?? Lol
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I had a problem with my TA. Checked the battery and that was not at the specified charge—it read 12.3V, so I bought a CTEK mxs 5.0 charger. Got the charge back to a healthy 13.6V. Still no joy with the stop/start. I then tried your suggestion with the fuse and bingo! It worked—stop/start works all the time now maybe a bit too much

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Re: Panda Start Stop Fix

Just to update my stop/start.

It never works anymore. I too have the ctek charger, and when I do charge the battery it will work. It still performs the same as it has from new though, as in it occasionally will not start again after a stop.

I've totally given up on attempting a resolution now as the car is out of manufacturers warranty, and any diagnosis fees now apply.
A waste of money in my book.

I just don't bother charging the battery anymore and treat the car as if stop/start is not fitted.
To be honest, for my typical driving, I'd be surprised if a working system would save me £10 a year anyway?
If the only thing stop/start has done for me is to keep my car one group lower in the car tax groupings, then I'll take that and forget the rest.
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Re: Panda Start Stop Fix

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The start stop on my TA Lounge has not been working for the last month or so and I was scratching my head as to a possible fix. Anyways I had a look in the handbook and noticed that there was a battery sensor fuse located inside the bonnet fusebox at position F90. So I pulled out the afore mentioned fuse to examine it only to see the fuse wire inside was still intact - bah!

However since putting the fuse back in - my start stop has started working again - quite bizarre! Anyway it might be worth you trying this fix if you have exhausted all other possibilities - good luck 😁
Thanks for that tip! My Panda 4x4 suddenly developed an identical problem. I rarely use the stop/start but always `exercise' it at least once a month. This month no joy. I removed the F90 fuse - what a b****** to get at - removed the relay above it to make matters easier. Fuse was OK so replaced it, or rather replaced it with another as the original dropped when I was replacing it and fell into the 4x4 sump guard/under tray! Next journey out stop/start worked properly in all its phases. Many thanks for this piece of advice. Its worth trying all you good folks with stop/start problems.
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Re: Panda Start Stop Fix

Turned it off when I picked up the car, that and the ECO button are just decorations.
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Turned it off when I picked up the car, that and the ECO button are just decorations.
Me too!
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Me too!
Eco's a waste of time but I don't quite agree on Stop/start - I rarely get stuck in traffic but have generally found that it works quite well when I am, though it becomes tedious if the queue keeps going forward a few feet every few seconds. It's fine when stopped at lights in town or when the traffic moves in reasonable chunks, as it were. It misbehaved initially on my 4x4 TA when it was new, two and a bit years ago, the dealer swapped the battery and it's worked with no problems since then.
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you've only gone and bloody fixed me stop/start!
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Re: Panda Start Stop Fix

Mine SS only works on Mondays!

Normally I use my car back and forth to work around central London and a few longer trips out at the weekend.

So Mondays it's battery is topped up and works ok all day.

Tuesday is may work once or twice.

Then the rest of the week nothing until I give it a run out and top up the battery again.

Frankly I can live without it, particularly now it's feckin' cold in the mornings and I want the bugger to pump out hot air as fast as it can, but I do notice a couple of mpg difference when it does work for a while.
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Hi all - (haven't posted on here for a while...)

I still have my 2013 4x4 and stopped using the start/stop what seems like months ago. Int is simply not worth the intense annoyance and safety risk of not knowing if the car will restart itself.

Even though I reported earlier a fix by the supplying dealer, since then it became intermittent again.

I really think the system has been very poorly calibrated and it is rather tiresome that FIAT won't acknowledge the problem.

As the car starts perfectly 'manually' every time after the s/s system decides it can't have a go, this means the s/s system has been incorrectly set up by the manufacturer. Simple really. Otherwise at least one of those manual starts should by now also have failed.

Aside from that, I love most other aspects of the car! I won't gripe further about the fuel economy - an average of 33.9 is I suppose at least a match for my Mrs' 3litre BMW X3 over similar driving conditions. So, well done FIAT - its a start / nice first effort! I wonder though if FIAT would sell quite so many T/As if they were in the same car-tax band as that BMW? I suspect not. (Oops, sorry, did that read as a gripe?...)

Back to the s/s issues: I really should email 'Honest John' from the Telegraph Cars / Motoring section. If someone like him - normally a huge FIAT 4x4 fan - saw the problem, its just possible that FIAT might prick up its ears.

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Hi all - (haven't posted on here for a while...)

I still have my 2013 4x4 and stopped using the start/stop what seems like months ago. Int is simply not worth the intense annoyance and safety risk of not knowing if the car will restart itself.

Even though I reported earlier a fix by the supplying dealer, since then it became intermittent again.

I really think the system has been very poorly calibrated and it is rather tiresome that FIAT won't acknowledge the problem.

As the car starts perfectly 'manually' every time after the s/s system decides it can't have a go, this means the s/s system has been incorrectly set up by the manufacturer. Simple really. Otherwise at least one of those manual starts should by now also have failed.

Aside from that, I love most other aspects of the car! I won't gripe further about the fuel economy - an average of 33.9 is I suppose at least a match for my Mrs' 3litre BMW X3 over similar driving conditions. So, well done FIAT - its a start / nice first effort! I wonder though if FIAT would sell quite so many T/As if they were in the same car-tax band as that BMW? I suspect not. (Oops, sorry, did that read as a gripe?...)

Back to the s/s issues: I really should email 'Honest John' from the Telegraph Cars / Motoring section. If someone like him - normally a huge FIAT 4x4 fan - saw the problem, its just possible that FIAT might prick up its ears.

all the best
You're not alone. My car behaves exactly the same as yours.
I too have given up trying to get it fixed. 5 or 6 days in total at the dealers with the same result every time "There's nothing wrong with it!"
The last straw was when they gave me a photocopy of 'how stop/start works'

So now it's permanently disabled. I would imaging the savings made would be substantially less than the cost of fuel used so far taking the car back and forth to the dealer trying to get it fixed.

If you do tell Honest John, I have a stack of videos showing the problem in action.
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Not restarting is an actual fault rather then a weakness of the system, sounds like clutch switch is dodgy. Other misbehaviour is generally down to the battery either needing a charge or replacement - they need to be 100% for SS to work properly, after that there is lots of conditions that it won't work under, ie, AC on high etc.
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Eco's a waste of time .

I have actually found 2 good uses for the eco button.

1, whenever you let someone else use the car (my lead footed wife for instance). Stealthily engage eco before they take it. Save some petrol!
2, use eco for a few days, then when you switch back out of it, revel in that rush of extra power and feel like you have a new car again!

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Not restarting is an actual fault rather then a weakness of the system, sounds like clutch switch is dodgy. Other misbehaviour is generally down to the battery either needing a charge or replacement - they need to be 100% for SS to work properly, after that there is lots of conditions that it won't work under, ie, AC on high etc.
The clutch switch has been ruled out. The car should restart when you press the clutch, or if the speed of the car increases above something like 3mph.
When my restart is failing, I can roll from a standstill to my hearts content and all the servo assistance of the brakes is used up. That's a lot of fun!
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I have actually found 2 good uses for the eco button.

1, whenever you let someone else use the car (my lead footed wife for instance). Stealthily engage eco before they take it. Save some petrol!
2, use eco for a few days, then when you switch back out of it, revel in that rush of extra power and feel like you have a new car again!



The clutch switch has been ruled out. The car should restart when you press the clutch, or if the speed of the car increases above something like 3mph.
When my restart is failing, I can roll from a standstill to my hearts content and all the servo assistance of the brakes is used up. That's a lot of fun!
Hmm ok, sounds like a more sinister issue alright. At least you can have it off without the annoying light on the speedo. It behaves ok in my 500 until the temp drops then it does the restart after 10 secs thing which is down to the battery not being tip top. I'm using Eco regulary now that my car has fully run in, doesent save any fuel really but it does make for a smooth drive around town - I quite like it, feels similar to a 1.2 in fact and yes you do have the novelty of switching back to normal mode and having a new zippy car!
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Hmm ok, sounds like a more sinister issue alright. At least you can have it off without the annoying light on the speedo.
All part of the higher spec when you upgrade!
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