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General Panda 4x4 twin-air mpg

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General Panda 4x4 twin-air mpg

Pilot Ralph said:
Been doing the same run over the past few days and had the 4x4 TA setup differently to see what effect it had on mpg.
The route is a 60 mile round trip on a mix of A,B and town roads. All done at the same time of day so traffic was the same and the weather has been the same. There are a few things that could have made a difference but then this was a real life test.

Eco ON. Climate ON. 50.8 mpg
Eco ON. Climate OFF 53.9 mpg
Eco OFF. Climate ON. 51.4 mpg
Eco OFF. Climate OFF 53.3 mpg
Finally a mix of on off for both. Using eco only when engine warmed up and in cruising at a steady speed. Climate on once engine warmed up. Switched off in town when I could open windows and switched off 10mins from end of journey.
53.1 mpg
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That's really useful input. How many miles has your 4x4 done? Mine still has less than a thousand miles on the clock but on a trip to Cornwall - either 80 or so on the A30 or crawling along Cornish lanes - I returned 35 mpg. The weather was very hot, which should have helped consumption, and air con was on 1 or 2 all the time.
 
Pilot Ralph said:
Been doing the same run over the past few days and had the 4x4 TA setup differently to see what effect it had on mpg.
The route is a 60 mile round trip on a mix of A,B and town roads. All done at the same time of day so traffic was the same and the weather has been the same. There are a few things that could have made a difference but then this was a real life test.

Eco ON. Climate ON. 50.8 mpg
Eco ON. Climate OFF 53.9 mpg
Eco OFF. Climate ON. 51.4 mpg
Eco OFF. Climate OFF 53.3 mpg
Finally a mix of on off for both. Using eco only when engine warmed up and in cruising at a steady speed. Climate on once engine warmed up. Switched off in town when I could open windows and switched off 10mins from end of journey.
53.1 mpg
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Very useful input.

When doing the test with climate off, did ypu have the windows open?
 
babbo_umbro said:
That's really useful input. How many miles has your 4x4 done? Mine still has less than a thousand miles on the clock but on a trip to Cornwall - either 80 or so on the A30 or crawling along Cornish lanes - I returned 35 mpg. The weather was very hot, which should have helped consumption, and air con was on 1 or 2 all the time.
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Driving at indicated 80mph will return mid 30's. you need to keep below 60 if you want to see 50's
 
In answer to the couple of questions.
Car is between 1000 and 1500
Windows were closed.
 
Though I'd also add that when I'm in cruising I general sit at 2500 rpm in 6th
 
Those ratios sounds pretty close to the 6 speed / TwinAir in my punto,
I get a good INDICATED Instant MPG, ( 60 /90 at "cruise" + ECO)
but with my commutes traffic it's normally averaging @ 45mpg per tank,
YES the cars only covered 4K miles,

I've ingnored fuel economy for the last 2 weeks because of High temps = Aircon overload..,

Charlie - Didcot
 
55-60MPH is a very good crusing speed tbh from experience.
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On B roads yes, but on A roads and motorways surely most people drive at an indicated 80, or at least 70+?

Realistic mpg figures need to factor in these sorts of trips, and with the A/C running too. And lots of town driving increases consumption too of course.

And before anyone says anything, I mean A road dual carriageways.
 
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Ulpian said:
On B roads yes, but on A roads and motorways surely most people drive at an indicated 80, or at least 70+?

Realistic mpg figures need to factor in these sorts of trips, and with the A/C running too. And lots of town driving increases consumption too of course.
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What's a motorway? Don't have them in northern Scotland. ;)
The test I did was more to see difference in mpg with eco and climate off or on. Perhaps someone that drives on "fast" roads could do something similar to compare.
 
Fair enough.

I drive a Doblo 1.6 Diesel anyway. I recently did 140 miles on mostly dual carriageways, including twenty miles of crawling through road works and some stretches with annoying roundabouts. I was three up + stuff and was going very quickly ;) for about fifty miles of the journey. Outside temperatures ranged between 30 and 32, so the A/C was on 2 for the whole journey - and the car was cold inside (y)

The readout at the end said 43 mpg, which I reckon isn't bad for a big brick.

I get about 37 around town and 45 - 48 the rest of the time, if it's of any interest. And I hate dawdling.

I reckon the Panda TA might offer the same sort of figures or better once run in, but with more 'fun' around town. I certainly enjoyed the one I drove briefly.
 
Pilot Ralph said:
What's a motorway? Don't have them in northern Scotland. ;)
The test I did was more to see difference in mpg with eco and climate off or on. Perhaps someone that drives on "fast" roads could do something similar to compare.
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I travelled down the M4 to London, and back, today, so I checked the mpg at 70mph with/without AC on.
(I didn't bother measuring with the ECO button on - that's just a button for when my wife or daughter is driving).

Driving for about 20 minutes at close to 70 mph, with the aircon on, fan speed 2 and windows closed, gave about 49 mpg.
Driving for about 30 minutes at close to 70 mph, with the aircon off, fan speed 2 and windows closed, gave about 55 mpg.
These mpg figures varied with uphill and downhill stretches, so they are not exactly comparable, but they indicate about a 10% effect on mpg at 70 mph, due to the aircon.

I have to say that I was surprised that the difference was so high. I have not seen any significant effect with the AC on the Multipla (although this is a 1.9 JTD).

The test was with a TA Lounge, not a 4x4, with 1600 miles on the clock.
 
chr1s said:
I travelled down the M4 to London, and back, today, so I checked the mpg at 70mph with/without AC on.
(I didn't bother measuring with the ECO button on - that's just a button for when my wife or daughter is driving).

Driving for about 20 minutes at close to 70 mph, with the aircon on, fan speed 2 and windows closed, gave about 49 mpg.
Driving for about 30 minutes at close to 70 mph, with the aircon off, fan speed 2 and windows closed, gave about 55 mpg.
These mpg figures varied with uphill and downhill stretches, so they are not exactly comparable, but they indicate about a 10% effect on mpg at 70 mph, due to the aircon.

I have to say that I was surprised that the difference was so high. I have not seen any significant effect with the AC on the Multipla (although this is a 1.9 JTD).

The test was with a TA Lounge, not a 4x4, with 1600 miles on the clock.
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They're also based upon the inaccurate trip readout also I take it and not a brim to brim test :confused:
 
I think we can conclude that aircon on the TwinAir motor does use extra fuel.
Also, I think the more economical your driving style the more apparent it is.

Did anyone see top gear last Sunday. The one with wolverine?
They said the Vauxhaul Astra star track car was considerably slower with the aircon switched on.
 
My Twin Air overall is 33mpg over 3800 miles, my 3ltr Diesel Audi Q5 does better than that, different driving etc but rather annoying all the same.
 
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