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Re: Panda 4wd ----Winter Tyres!!!!!!!!!

[quote=staffordmike;3320233]Hi Most Easterly Pandas, I was questioning our Norwegian correspondent's comment...

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Make sure these are fresh and not last years stock. In that case ask for a big discount. The stamp on the inside means they are produced in week 33 2013 (being the week ending August 16). Rubber smell overwhelming!

That sounds like he's saying winter tyres need to be new.
Fair point, always best to get the fresh version of anything, but last years stock isn't going to make much of a difference in the UK if its been stored correctly.
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Does the very strong rubber smell suggest that there are more volatile components in the rubber mix, which would mean that an older tyre has lost some of its low-temperature characteristics?
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These volatile molecules are in essence solvents or softeners. The technique of using "softeners" also applies to many kinds of "soft" plastics.

The softeners slowly evaporate / leach into other solvents like water etc in case the softened compound remains immersed for a long time.

This leaching thing can be a problem as the leaching organic molecules can contaminate the contents of a container / hose in applications where any form of organic contamination might be an issue.
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My winter tyres are now 3.5 years old, i have to say they're very much past their best.
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These volatile molecules are in essence solvents or softeners. The technique of using "softeners" also applies to many kinds of "soft" plastics.

The softeners slowly evaporate / leach into other solvents like water etc in case the softened compound remains immersed for a long time.

This leaching thing can be a problem as the leaching organic molecules can contaminate the contents of a container / hose in applications where any form of organic contamination might be an issue.
Very interesting, thank you. So presumably that does mean that it's worth checking when your winter tyres were produced?
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I think the big discount suggested by the person living in Norway for 1 year old (real) winter tyres gives an indication on what is considered common knowledge in such countries.
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Very interesting, thank you. So presumably that does mean that it's worth checking when your winter tyres were produced?
Most tyre places don't tend to keep large amounts of stock, especially in the UK where winter tyres simply aren't all that popular. Personally I'm going to leave it as late as possible (within reason) to get the freshest tyres possible
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Get the tyres through MyTyres as they come from Poland and always seem brand new manufacture.... guess they sell shed loads of them. Also their deals are good for steel wheel + tyre combo, but be careful if for the new 4x4 as they sometimes set up a 14" not 15" wheel
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Get the tyres through MyTyres as they come from Poland and always seem brand new manufacture.... guess they sell shed loads of them. Also their deals are good for steel wheel + tyre combo, but be careful if for the new 4x4 as they sometimes set up a 14" not 15" wheel
Whenever I've used mytyres they've come from Germany.
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Looks like you were having fun there!

What tyres did you fit in the end?
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Nokian Hakka R2, crazy grip on snowand ice! I was playing a bit with the ELD, and with the ELD off the stabilitysystem intervenes quickly any attempt at having fun. No chance of any wheelspinor sideways. However, with the ELD on (ie the button has a green light), thingsimprove. It is possible at low speeds (2nd gear) to drift sideways for all daylong provided you dont floor it completely, but keep the throttle at say under70-80% and keep the steering input at a minimum. The system seems to detect anunstable car with sideways wobbling or lots of steering wheel work and will consequentlystrangle the power. At higher speeds than 50ish kmt it also seem to intervene.Anyway, just started the winter season and will need more testing!

The 4x4 in snow is absolutely fantastic,fun and very capable! As a winter car it is hard to beat, heated screen, enginewarms up in a few minutes, easy parking and you are out of traffic lights longbefore 2,5 ton SUVs get traction.
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I've got Nokian WR D3's on my Pop, the difference is night and day from my experience in the snow earlier this year.
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