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Re: Panda 4wd ----Winter Tyres!!!!!!!!!

Hi there, I am new in the forum as just purchased a 4x4 new panda diesel. On the first week of my ownership of the Panda I had to visit a village up to the greek mountains for some photoshooting. Didnt miss the opportunity to test the car on snow/ icey roads and play a little bit with it! The result was quite impressive and must say that was not expecting such a good traction from the Panda. Needless to say I didnt even have to push the ELD button! My question here is: Since in Med countries during the summer the temps do often reach the 35-40 degrees celcius, do we have to change the continental tyres with standard road tyres for these 4-5 summer temperature months?
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My question here is: Since in Med countries during the summer the temps do often reach the 35-40 degrees celcius, do we have to change the continental tyres with standard road tyres for these 4-5 summer temperature months?
Ideally yes, if you don't it just means they'll wear out a lot quicker.

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Welcome to the forum. Do you have some photos of your car we can see please?
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There you are. Taken last week...Click image for larger version

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Any chance to advise summer tyres for the new panda 4x4? No need to destroy the M&S tyres during the hot summer tyres in Greece. Would ideally need a tyre with some offroad capabilities (like 80% tarmac/ 20% gravel).
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I know its early for winter tyres even in Norway! Picked up proper winter tyres at the dealer today for my 4x4. These are Nokian HakkaR2, and will stay soft and grippy even in extreme cold. The Conti M&S tyres on the car now will probably be OK down to a few degrees below freezing, but the dealer (and my own experience with all seasons) reckoned around 5 below was the limit before they turned hard.



Make sure these are fresh and not last years stock. In that case ask for a big discount. The stamp on the inside means they are produced in week 33 2013 (being the week ending August 16). Rubber smell overwhelming!

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So you're saying that winter tyres are only really good for one winter and after that they won't be as soft?
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So you're saying that winter tyres are only really good for one winter and after that they won't be as soft?
No, not sure where you read that.

Was saying the M&S tyres (which is just a stamp, not normally winter tyres) will be no good below 5c as they'll harden up, but the winters will
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Hi Most Easterly Pandas, I was questioning our Norwegian correspondent's comment...

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Make sure these are fresh and not last years stock. In that case ask for a big discount. The stamp on the inside means they are produced in week 33 2013 (being the week ending August 16). Rubber smell overwhelming!

That sounds like he's saying winter tyres need to be new.
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The 4x4 Pandas are supplied with winter tyres as standard, not all season.
They are called 'cross contact winter'
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The reviews are very good. I don't see the point of changing them for a different brand, unless the originals are worn. If anything, a set of summer tyres for the warmer months would be most beneficial.
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The Conti Winter M&S are probably all the winter tyres you will ever need in the UK. And for that market they are classified as winter tyres. As you can read on website, the Contis are"Designed specifically for use during the winter months (when temperatures drop below 7C". However,here in Norway the Conti Wintes are called all seasons, and are not what we call proper winter tyres (google "nordic winter tyres" for details).And below +7C is not winter on our scales. Quoted from continental.no the Conti Winter M&S currently on my Panda 4x4 are for "light winter and city use". Contis nordic winter tyres are called Conti IceContact, but these are not on the Conti UK webpage. The Conti Winters will probably be fine down to-5, but when it is -20 C below my guess is that they are as hard as rock. All this is however not a problem in the UK, but something we deal with for months every year.



Winter tyres do turn hard with age, and there is a significant change in grip on snow only after 2-3 years. Fresh winter tyres have an absolutely amazing grip on snow and you can easily tell the difference between fresh and 3 year olds (with the same wear of course). After 6-7 years winter tyres are useless up here at least, and I change after say 4 years. Consequently, when buying tyres I think it is worth to check the production date. I am sure one year old tyres will do fine, but I really like the feeling and hard to beat fun of driving Pandas in snow with fresh rubber.


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Fair enough, if you're in extreme climates buy the best available.
I didn't realise that tyre manufacturers market the same tyres as different uses
in different territories. Makes sense though.

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I reckon that in Britain all weather tyres, plus the 4x4 traction or the clever front axle in the Trekking, will be all any of us will realistically need.

Continentals are more used to replacing tyres regularly anyway, and few of my continental friends would consider keeping a set of tyres more than four years max. Wear doesn't come into it. Same with wiper blades, they replace them every year.

I'm going to put winter tyres on my Doblo this year because I need traction in rain and snow, at night, and the summer tyres fitted now are totally useless in the cold and wet, not to mention ice and snow.

Winter tyres have a high silica content and are made from natural rubber, so they do indeed perish more quickly with time than summer tyres, which incorporate artificial rubber for long life etc..

But being stuck with the wheels spinning, or not being in control when gently braking on icy roads, doesn't bear consideration.

Costly, yes. But so is a crash.

I reckon 650 over three years, including changing them twice a year. So roughly 215 a year. The price of a day in London. Not much really.
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The 4x4 Pandas are supplied with winter tyres as standard, not all season.
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The reviews are very good. I don't see the point of changing them for a different brand, unless the originals are worn. If anything, a set of summer tyres for the warmer months would be most beneficial.
Nordic Winter tyres are different to uk/continental ones.
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