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Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

Doing a trade in imminently and thinking of whipping the spare out as the new one doesnt have the spare included.
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Re: Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

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Doing a trade in imminently and thinking of whipping the spare out as the new one doesnt have the spare included.
Unless you substitute some alternative, surely you're parting with the car in an unroadworthy condition?
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Re: Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

Irrelevant, although I can see where you are coming from morally :-) It has a 12 month MOT...therefore it's roadworthy. And it's only going to a Fiat dealer...who will probably make 750 quid on it... :-D

I could always put a can of that pathetic squirty cream in the boot, if it's good enough for Fiat...
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Re: Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

Moot point now as I've secured a 14" Punto space saver....hope it fits the new panda hub...any thoughts on that? Am I ok as long as it is 4 stud?

For clarity this is a 2003-12 Panda I'm swapping for a new shape 2012 Panda.
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Re: Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

My original point was to wonder if it's a legal requirement to have a "spare" in one form or another - in the event, I see that it's not, but, if you do have one, it has to meet the legal requirements.

You'd need to check the offset of the Punto space-saver - the offset of the space-savers on a 1.2, or MJ, Panda and the 100HP are very different to take into account the different rim widths and offsets of the full-size wheels.
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Re: Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

Thanks for the info, it's a minefield...never had a car with no spare and I'm not looking forward to driving around without one. Had three punctures in my current panda 1.2 within first year of ownership. :-/

Replacement is a stock car on an outrageously good staff discount, or I would have ticked the space saver option on a factory order.
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Re: Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

From the owners handbook of my Mk4 Panda the rims are:-

5.5J X 14H2 - ET35

With Space saver spare:-
135/80 R14 84M

Does anyone know of a Fiat matching this rim size/space saver specification that has been on the market longer so I can acquire a spare more cheaply?
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Re: Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

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With Space saver spare:-
135/80 R14 84M

Does anyone know of a Fiat matching this rim size/space saver specification that has been on the market longer so I can acquire a spare more cheaply?
The Punto Mk2 space-saver is the same size; and I'm pretty sure the PCD is the same (not so sure about offset...). There are usually loads on eBay.... Hope this helps....

PS: There are loads of spare-wheel well toolkits around, as well, for the Punto... -- it therefore might be worth buying one of these, as well...?
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The Punto Mk2 space-saver is the same size; and I'm pretty sure the PCD is the same (not so sure about offset...). There are usually loads on eBay.... Hope this helps....

PS: There are loads of spare-wheel well toolkits around, as well, for the Punto... -- it therefore might be worth buying one of these, as well...?
Thanks, I'm not sure how to calculate the offset myself, can it be derived from the rim dimensions above?
*Edit Found this guide to measuring...
http://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/wheeloffset.html

Apparently the PCD for the 03> and 2012 Panda and mk2 Punto is 4 X 98 with offset for the panda of 35

*edit Found another handy guide not sure if the veracity of the info but it's looking like the Mk2 Punto space saver I have is going to fit...
http://www.wheel-fitment.com/car/Fia...(2012%20-%20)/

I've also learned that fitting a wheel with an offset >20mm different will void your insurance as it alters the track of the car.

I managed to nab the tools with it also, result!

Do reply if these figures sound dodgy, they are off the Internet lol.
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Thanks, I'm not sure how to calculate the offset myself, can it be derived from the rim dimensions above? Apologies but what is the 'PCD' ?
Hopefully, this brilliant post by @dave should help...! [PCD = "pitch circle diameter"; and no need to apologize -- this forum is about learning, after all...!]

Looks like the offset is pretty much the same....
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Hopefully, this brilliant post by @dave should help...! [PCD = "pitch circle diameter"; and no need to apologize -- this forum is about learning, after all...!]

Looks like the offset is pretty much the same....
Thanks homeward, I've heavily edited the post after doing my own digging...will take a look at that link now
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Re: Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

Sooooo just to confirm, I tried the punto mk2 space saver on my 2012 Panda today and it fits perfectly...Just waiting for the 2nd set of tools and jack from eBay now and I have both our Pandas sorted for spare wheels, so can dump the foam compressor in the shed until it is time for trade in
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Re: Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

Can anyone confirm the pressure for a punto mk2 space saver? Is it indeed 42psi as I've read elsewhere?

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I can manual says 2.8 bar - so 40 psi (ish)
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Can anyone confirm the pressure for a punto mk2 space saver? Is it indeed 42psi as I've read elsewhere?
That sounds about right... -- it is inordinately high... (although useful when you use one of those tyre-pressure-fed brake bleeding kits...)!
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Re: Will the space saver spare from my 2009 Panda fit my 2012 Panda?

Hope I can add to this thread. I found the info really useful and will get a Mk2 Punto spacesaver. Size seems to be confirmed by my Panda handbook, even for 15 inch alloys on Lounge. Should I be looking for Panda or Punto insert with jack, tools, etc?
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