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Old 01-11-2007   #16
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Re: Panda Sisley 4x4 ???

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I think Sisley used the canoe-logo only for a short period.
It also apears to be used most on other sisley fashion items like shoes and (my) sunglasses.
Totally correct !
I couldn't live with myself for being unable to answer this question ... so I went through all my old paperwork (get a life !).
I found a copy of the UK Sisely launch release. It clearly stated that 'only 500 would be released for sale in this country' ... and that they would bear the trademark of the design-house; a canoe !
Hell ... I need a lie-down now ...
...NURSE !
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There are 2 models of Panda 4x4 Sisley, the MK1 and MK2
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I think Sisley used the canoe-logo only for a short period.
It also apears to be used most on other sisley fashion items like shoes and (my) sunglasses.
Thanks all.
A friend who has canoed from the west to the east coast of England via the River Sow, which flows passed our house to Stafford and then on via the Trent, saw the canoe logo on my cars, and asked what it represented.
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Some Panda 4x4 Sisley stuff:



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Re: Panda Sisley 4x4 ???

Thank you for that !
How come you have Sisely stuff that I haven't ?

...but I have now !
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Thank you for that !
How come you have Sisely stuff that I haven't ?

...but I have now !

I'm a Sisley fanatic
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Re: Panda Sisley 4x4 ???

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Other thing, sisley have Steyr Puch transmission.
All Panda 4x4s have Steyr Puch designed transmission. Steyr Puch seem to have had a hand in the transmission of most European 4x4s:
Merc G-wagen, Panda 4x4, Later Land Rovers, Many VW Syncro transmissions etc. I believe they also did the Subaru Justy.
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All Panda 4x4s have Steyr Puch designed transmission. Steyr Puch seem to have had a hand in the transmission of most European 4x4s:
Merc G-wagen, Panda 4x4, Later Land Rovers, Many VW Syncro transmissions etc. I believe they also did the Subaru Justy.

Only Sisley models and later, it's why the others loose the Streyr Puch badge.
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Only Sisley models and later, it's why the others loose the Streyr Puch badge.
My Panda 4x4 (not Sisley) had a Steyr Puch badge. There is no difference between Mk2 Panda 4x4 and Sisley transmissions. The earlier box is slightly different but was still designed by Steyr Puch. Taken from Wikipedia:

The Austrian company, Steyr-Puch, developed a four wheel drive system for the next addition to the range, the Panda 4x4. Launched in June 1983, it was powered by a 965 cc engine with 48 bhp (36 kW) derived from that in the Autobianchi A112. Known simply as the Panda 4x4, this model was the first small, transverse-engined production car to have a 4WD system. The system itself was manually selectable, with an ultra-low first gear. Under normal conditions starting was from second, with the fifth having the same ratio as fourth in the normal Panda. Steyr-Puch supplied the entire drivetrain (clutch, gearbox, power take-off, three-piece propshaft, rear axle inc diff and brakes) to the plant at Termini Imerese where it was fitted to the reinforced bodyshell.
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Re: Panda Sisley 4x4 ???

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My Panda 4x4 (not Sisley) had a Steyr Puch badge. There is no difference between Mk2 Panda 4x4 and Sisley transmissions. The earlier box is slightly different but was still designed by Steyr Puch. Taken from Wikipedia:

The Austrian company, Steyr-Puch, developed a four wheel drive system for the next addition to the range, the Panda 4x4. Launched in June 1983, it was powered by a 965 cc engine with 48 bhp (36 kW) derived from that in the Autobianchi A112. Known simply as the Panda 4x4, this model was the first small, transverse-engined production car to have a 4WD system. The system itself was manually selectable, with an ultra-low first gear. Under normal conditions starting was from second, with the fifth having the same ratio as fourth in the normal Panda. Steyr-Puch supplied the entire drivetrain (clutch, gearbox, power take-off, three-piece propshaft, rear axle inc diff and brakes) to the plant at Termini Imerese where it was fitted to the reinforced bodyshell.
JEEEZ ,... did you swallow the textbok my friend ?

The 4x4 drive-system in the Sisely is by Puch-Styer and was taken as a complete unit from the ( A.U., Audi. ) 'Halflinger'.
The Halflinger was a war-machine who's main criterea was that it could be lifted off the ground by four marines and turned to face the opposite direction.
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JEEEZ ,... did you swallow the textbok my friend ?
Nope - cut and paste from Wikipedia

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The 4x4 drive-system in the Sisely is by Puch-Styer
Yes. As I mentioned before all Panda 4x4s are by Steyr Puch. Mechanically they are all virtually the same (The Mk1 box is slightly different to fit the different engine).

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and was taken as a complete unit from the ( A.U., Audi. ) 'Halflinger'.
That isn't possible. <anorak on> The Haflinger had a central spine chassis with the engine in the back and drive going down the middle of the spine to the two diffs (both lockable). The suspension was swing axle with portal hubs, similar to earlier VW buses. There is no way that system could be converted to fit a Panda <anorak off> Haflingers are absolutely incredible off road and I want one
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great pics,what a great club, but does anyone use there panda 4x4 for what it was made for,these pandas really do go anywere
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Yup. The only thing that lets them down is ground clearance. A good bash plate on the front helps (keep it light). You can raise the front suspension about 20mm by fitting a spacer under the springs. If you fit a spacer between the strut and the wing you can gain a little more but if you go over about 10mm then you run the risk of damaging the drive shafts and inner CVs.
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Nope - cut and paste from Wikipedia


Yes. As I mentioned before all Panda 4x4s are by Steyr Puch. Mechanically they are all virtually the same (The Mk1 box is slightly different to fit the different engine).


That isn't possible. <anorak on> The Haflinger had a central spine chassis with the engine in the back and drive going down the middle of the spine to the two diffs (both lockable). The suspension was swing axle with portal hubs, similar to earlier VW buses. There is no way that system could be converted to fit a Panda <anorak off> Haflingers are absolutely incredible off road and I want one
2SHAY my friend ,

How much do you want a Halflinger ?

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great pics,what a great club, but does anyone use there panda 4x4 for what it was made for,these pandas really do go anywere
You mean like this:








do you want more
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