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OK, overall i am very pleased with new panda... just a few things i want to throw out there to see what comes back...

Drove the little thing from Accrington to Lancaster this evening... needed it's legs stretched anyway... the carb had week old fuel in it and started off complaining but started it did. quick stop for fuel as it had nearly none... gear selection is a little hit and miss as the gearstick doesn't seem to be fixed to anything and wallows around after changes... looks like it's been fixed in place with bungee cord underneath somewhere.

The 4x4 system seems to complain when engaged especially at the back... something is possibly seized or needing some attention... anyone got a likely culprit?

other than that it has a little rust (the door, bonnet and boot will be changed anyway) and has got a railer hitch with full electrics.

well worth £250, i am happy for a day or so

i'll post some pics tomorrow after i have hovered the interior and swapped the bonnet to the one Alan kindly supplied me.
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Re: New Sisley owner, old Sisley problems

The UJ Joint on the prop shaft can sieze if not greased annually but more often is better. Just before the rear diff the joint has a grease nipple that you can plug a grease gun into and fill with fresh stuff. It will start to vibrate wildly if it siezes. If it's just a humm fill the diff with fluid same type as the gearbox.

I've got some spare levers if you need them.

If the car has been sitting for a while with no fuel the tank can rust from the inside so fill up to the brim and fit a new filter, when the tank is near empty fit another new filter.

I'm not sure about the levers fixing points from the lever side but think they are bolted to a mounting at two points and have spacers either side that can wear.
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Re: New Sisley owner, old Sisley problems

Could be the linkage to the box is worn but Juppys's 4x4 stick shift is much loosers than any of the 2 wheel drive pandas I've got.

The 4x4 system is noisy (or mine is compaired again to the 2x4 cars) but it might be a good idea to check the fluid levels in the box and diff

There's a grease nipple on the prop shaft too that might be worth a shot....

(unrelated, but the last time I'd a bad noise from the arse of Juppy it was both rear wheel bearings. There was very little play in the rear wheels but changing the bearings made life a lot quieter)

BTW, congrats on joing the 4x4 bunch!!!
(the different groups being autos, 750's, 903's, 999's and 4x4's. I'm just one short of a full house )
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Re: New Sisley owner, old Sisley problems

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The UJ Joint on the prop shaft can seize if not greased......
Damn, Alan you must be able to type faster than me

(and also be a lot more knowable than me! hehe)

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Re: New Sisley owner, old Sisley problems

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and also be a lot more knowable than me!
That wouldnt be very hard
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Re: New Sisley owner, old Sisley problems

I usually find that the remains of oil in the rear diff's is the stuff that Fiat put in when they built them.
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YEAH!!!

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Re: New Sisley owner, old Sisley problems

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Damn, Alan you must be able to type faster than me

(and also be a lot more knowable than me! hehe)

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I don't thinks so mate but maybe I'm a faster typer
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The UJ Joint on the prop shaft can sieze if not greased annually but more often is better. Just before the rear diff the joint has a grease nipple that you can plug a grease gun into and fill with fresh stuff. It will start to vibrate wildly if it siezes. If it's just a humm fill the diff with fluid same type as the gearbox.
ok, i will have to go and buy one of those... they sound pretty useful for a panda. does it have to be that universal joint grease like we stuck on the gearbox axles?

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I've got some spare levers if you need them.
I parked the thing after and put the lever down very easily... i think maybe it just needs a little greasing like everything else.

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If the car has been sitting for a while with no fuel the tank can rust from the inside so fill up to the brim and fit a new filter, when the tank is near empty fit another new filter.
not sure that it has been standing that long... well 4 days since i saw it last, before that i wouldn't be able to say... he did say that it was his daily drive though. but then he was away from home for long periods i think.

Quote Originally Posted by Alan.D
I'm not sure about the levers fixing points from the lever side but think they are bolted to a mounting at two points and have spacers either side that can wear.
I will have a look and see if there is anything obvious. but it'll probably be me taking picks and someone spotting potential probs.

ok i'm off to do some valeting.
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Re: New Sisley owner, old Sisley problems

For what it's worth, here my 2p's worth:

Gear lever.
There's a mount about 2/3 of the length down the gear lever through which passes a shouldered bolt that fastens into a captive nut in the body. The bolt passes though a couple of plastic bushes that wear very easily and this leads to the 'pudding bowl' gear lever effect. Simply remedying this will take about 80% of the slack out of the gear change. You can either replace the bushes for new items or for a quick fix, as I did, you could fit a suitable thickness washer over the threaded portion of the shouldered bolt (after you've passed it back through the bushes or course) and bolt the assembly back up. Being a shouldered bolt it's designed to tighten before compressing the bushes. Putting a washer on means that the bushes will be compressed so you have to be careful not to overtighten the bolt and lock the gear lever up. I found this worked very well on mine but I will probably have to check it periodically to make sure it's not coming loose again.

4x4 selector lever
Sometimes it will be difficult to impossible to select/deselect 4x4 depending on how the car has been driven simply because the gears do not line up. For instance, when driving on hard surfaces in 4x4 mode (not recommended) the drive system 'winds up' as the tolerances between the front and rear drive systems will be very slightly different and it's just simple mechanical linkages . In this case a short drive on a soft surface will allow the system to 'relax', or just drive in reverse for a short distance. It's best to select 4x4 when moving slowly forward but not above 20mph. The 4x4 selector is a very simple piece of mechanical engineering and it's very unlikely to be wear in the linkages causing selection difficuly, unless it has been damaged by some boisterous off-roading. A quick peek under the car should tell you all you need to know as the 4x4 selector lever is quite obvious.

Hope this helps. I'm currently in the middle of a total rebuild of a Panda 4x4 based kit so my observations are based on my own personal experience of working on this and the donor vehicle. I'm learning a lot about the Panda very quickly from this.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tony M
ok, i will have to go and buy one of those... they sound pretty useful for a panda. does it have to be that universal joint grease like we stuck on the gearbox axles?
Nope just normal grease but has to have the little joint that slips & locks onto the nipple

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I parked the thing after and put the lever down very easily... i think maybe it just needs a little greasing like everything else.
I meant the gear levers I have one complete unit spare not the 4x4 one
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OK, here it is... in full technicolor.
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interior stuff...

it even has a wheel with gloss magnolia on it... in fact it has 4 with gloss magnolia and the rear offside is the original colour.
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Nope just normal grease but has to have the little joint that slips & locks onto the nipple

I meant the gear levers I have one complete unit spare not the 4x4 one
ok, so 1 grease gun will be gotten if i can't borrow one in the meantime, and the levers... aren't as much an issue as the carburetor fueling.

what is the engine cutting out pretty sharply after 5 seconds a sympptom of?... I am thinking the vacuum advance has kicked the bucket... but the hose leading to it seems solid... I don't fully know how to test it though... I disconnected it from the v.advance unit and could suck blow without a problem... and likewise when it was connected to the v.advance.

so anyone got any suggestions?
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Re: New Sisley owner, old Sisley problems

Prob needs a tune & to check the C/o BTW WTF is that thing in the boot with the brake type fixing to it? some sort of leveling device??

And excuse my ignorance it's a nice looking little motor I see I may have some competition.
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