Technical Leaf Springs

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Technical Leaf Springs

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This thread will cover our task to restore our 4x4 leaf springs. They were running flat so we removed them after the recent peakender trip. Our first job was to identify the original distance between eyes. I measured the distance from the front chassis mounting to the rear shackle (with a slight backward angle). This dimension corresponded exactly to the leaf spring (in a relaxed state out of the car). So it seems the shape/geometry is correct, they just don't have much springiness.

We took the springs to a blacksmith. He said the smaller leafs should touch the larger leafs. With ours, you can see a small gap which indicates the springs are running flat. He will be doing a cold reset next week. A hot reset involves heating to a temperature (about 800 degrees), quenching in oil, then a re-heat (I cannot recall the temperature but its a lot lower). However, he is unaware of the composition of the steel so he is unable to use this method. He said cheap modern spring steel can only be heat treated once, and then you discard. If he were to attempt this method, it is probable that the springs will either go floppy or brittle.

So a cold reset involves dismantling the leaf then re-shaping them, which I understand is bending it so they come up a bit shorter, which will sewttle to an improved position when under load. We will try this first. Next option will be to replace the second largest leaf with a heavier guage. As a fallback option, I will be recording the dimensions and price up the manufactue of new springs.
 
Had this exact process done to Brian's springs

Will definitely make the ride better when fully loaded with all of your Pandraid gear.

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Wonder if its worth doing this to mine. I was looking at the new ones on ebay but seemed overly expensive when mine still function ok.

I will update this post once I have received the springs back and tested on the car. I am being charged £30 per spring for the reset. I will update the post with contact details if it goes well.
 
All interesting stuff, there is a lot to be said for raising the ride height by just putting the suspension back to as new condition!

I had new middle leaves fitted to Digger's springs as they were broken, obviously not tried them properly and the back end is totally stripped but it sits much higher than standard, I forget the measurement. It will be interesting to see how it is when fully built up.

 
Wonder if its worth doing this to mine. I was looking at the new ones on ebay but seemed overly expensive when mine still function ok.


You can get ride hight assisting coil springs from Italy that bolt to the rear axel either side of the diffIMG_1507153645.894569.jpg
 
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I have the springs back and now installed. The large leaf was reset. the middle leaf was shortened and a new leaf (slightly bigger gauge) was fitted, so now 4 leafs. The gap from the rubber stop to the base of the springs is 120mm. I have test driven and at 15mph I am getting knocking. Not sure where from so need to investigate further. will upload some pics later.
 
I have the springs back and now installed. The large leaf was reset. the middle leaf was shortened and a new leaf (slightly bigger gauge) was fitted, so now 4 leafs. The gap from the rubber stop to the base of the springs is 120mm. I have test driven and at 15mph I am getting knocking. Not sure where from so need to investigate further. will upload some pics later.



It’s probably rubber bushes knocking have you silicone greased the bushes before reassembly are the clamps tight too as you 2 have a history here loose bolts (well not quiet tight ) [emoji209][emoji1533][emoji375]⚙️do look at the leaf box hangers too if all the bolts arête very tight get out on the road it my just go we had a few creeks and knock for the first 1000 miles after the rebuild of Brian * Steve
 
How much extra height have you gained? Measure from the wheel centre to the edge of the arch. A standard car is around 380mm if I am remembering correctly.

I am wondering if you have gained enough height to 'top' the shock absorber out and that is the knock. A set of 2wd shocks would sort that.
 
How much extra height have you gained? Measure from the wheel centre to the edge of the arch. A standard car is around 380mm if I am remembering correctly.



I am wondering if you have gained enough height to 'top' the shock absorber out and that is the knock. A set of 2wd shocks would sort that.


Been speaking with rich it’s a regular knock it could be the new
Spring curve has pointed the diff flange down. So he will disconnect the prop and go for a little drive to see if it stops. But yep he may now need the 2wd shocks now apparently it doesn’t move much which any extra weight so!!!!
 
Been speaking with rich it’s a regular knock it could be the new
Spring curve has pointed the diff flange down. So he will disconnect the prop and go for a little drive to see if it stops. But yep he may now need the 2wd shocks now apparently it doesn’t move much which any extra weight so!!!!

Ah yes I think that's likely, some angled spacer blocks required then. Worth checking the shocks though as they won't last long on the Panda Raid!
 
I've got set of assist or springs if anyone needs them
Good for full boot condition but nothing else.
Italians do use them when LPG (30L) bottle fitted to the back.
Absolutely not good as lift for off-roading
 
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