So, I thought about doing this ages ago, I bought a Cinq 899 (the car of choice because the 965 is none fire engine so mounts are in different location and gearbox bell housing differs from the fire)
I then put the cinq away and proceed to forget about this for about 2 years.
So, why did I want to do this?
Nothing but issues with the carb, the timing and terrible fuel consumption.
When it was running it would run great, when it wasn't it was a pig and I found it far to difficult to even think about using it for more than the shortest trips.
I could never get the auto choke to work on the posh cab, and the replacement carb even after being serviced wasn't great. Im really not a fan of carbs and points, its not what I know.
Have I devalued the car? yes I have, but its mine to devalue, and Im the one that drives it, Im the one that fixes it, services it and swears at it, and I can easily put the old engine back in if I ever wanted to. I have notified all parties about the engine change, i like being on the right side of legal.
So, the Donner car
I felt bad for taking it off the road but it really had not been loved, it was rusty and needed a complete overhall
There is a lot less space than in the panda!
its out!
This is a important bit, and this is the bit that is making me stress
I really wish I had jet washed this before I started!
So, at this point I have looked at the engine and the mounting locations and noted that I have to swap over the left engine mount, it just clears the crank timing wheel. I checked the clutch, the cinq and the panda clutch are almost identical.
I thought about how to deal with the starter motor and alternator side of this and though that keeping the panda starter motor and alt was the best route. that way I at least know I can start it and probably have a lot less wiring to go wrong
Fitted in place now
So I know im going to need a lambda sensor, I took a look at the cinq down pipe and I think it has a cat in it, it was really rather terrible compared to the panda design, So I decided to use the panda one and weld the lambda boss in (excuse the horrific welding run out of gas)
At this point i don't have a great deal of photos as my phone took rather a nasty bash, I have a vid blog of the rest here :
So, if you haven't watched the above, and I suppose if you have there are a number of things to deal with on the wiring side.
This is where I need to thank John aka dragon man, aka legend as he has been a star, honestly I owe that lad a case of beer as he has been there to bounce ideas off, and is a amazing source of data.
I was unable to take out the loom complete so I had to snip it though the firewall.
This main loom is pretty easy
There are a few wires that end up with no plugs on them as john details in a vid
Green = 12v to fuel pump
orange is a switched 12v live
red and white is a 12v switched earth for the ECU light
If you have a Codebox this adds a little extra in to the mix,
red is live,
orange is switched live - this sods off in to the dash and then back in the fuse box
there is then a FP wire, and a ECU wire
Yellow and white is the 12v switched earth for the code light
a mate found this which sorted me out
I have it running now, not before sorting out a few issues along the way
1) the starter motor died some where between taking it off the one block and moving it to the other which really added to a migran as it wasn't even clicking. I checked and could see voltage at the live and igsiter wire so lucky I had a spare to swap it out.
2) I put the coil packs wires on the wrong way around
3) It started but run horrible, I left 2 vac leaks, large ones (forgot to take of the old break assist vac line)
So, its running now, I have a tidy up to do with the wiring and fusing, put the exhaust back on a and wire up the dash warning lights
Running vid:
I then put the cinq away and proceed to forget about this for about 2 years.
So, why did I want to do this?
Nothing but issues with the carb, the timing and terrible fuel consumption.
When it was running it would run great, when it wasn't it was a pig and I found it far to difficult to even think about using it for more than the shortest trips.
I could never get the auto choke to work on the posh cab, and the replacement carb even after being serviced wasn't great. Im really not a fan of carbs and points, its not what I know.
Have I devalued the car? yes I have, but its mine to devalue, and Im the one that drives it, Im the one that fixes it, services it and swears at it, and I can easily put the old engine back in if I ever wanted to. I have notified all parties about the engine change, i like being on the right side of legal.
So, the Donner car
I felt bad for taking it off the road but it really had not been loved, it was rusty and needed a complete overhall
There is a lot less space than in the panda!
its out!
This is a important bit, and this is the bit that is making me stress
I really wish I had jet washed this before I started!
So, at this point I have looked at the engine and the mounting locations and noted that I have to swap over the left engine mount, it just clears the crank timing wheel. I checked the clutch, the cinq and the panda clutch are almost identical.
I thought about how to deal with the starter motor and alternator side of this and though that keeping the panda starter motor and alt was the best route. that way I at least know I can start it and probably have a lot less wiring to go wrong
Fitted in place now
So I know im going to need a lambda sensor, I took a look at the cinq down pipe and I think it has a cat in it, it was really rather terrible compared to the panda design, So I decided to use the panda one and weld the lambda boss in (excuse the horrific welding run out of gas)
At this point i don't have a great deal of photos as my phone took rather a nasty bash, I have a vid blog of the rest here :
So, if you haven't watched the above, and I suppose if you have there are a number of things to deal with on the wiring side.
This is where I need to thank John aka dragon man, aka legend as he has been a star, honestly I owe that lad a case of beer as he has been there to bounce ideas off, and is a amazing source of data.
I was unable to take out the loom complete so I had to snip it though the firewall.
This main loom is pretty easy
There are a few wires that end up with no plugs on them as john details in a vid
Green = 12v to fuel pump
orange is a switched 12v live
red and white is a 12v switched earth for the ECU light
If you have a Codebox this adds a little extra in to the mix,
red is live,
orange is switched live - this sods off in to the dash and then back in the fuse box
there is then a FP wire, and a ECU wire
Yellow and white is the 12v switched earth for the code light
a mate found this which sorted me out
I have it running now, not before sorting out a few issues along the way
1) the starter motor died some where between taking it off the one block and moving it to the other which really added to a migran as it wasn't even clicking. I checked and could see voltage at the live and igsiter wire so lucky I had a spare to swap it out.
2) I put the coil packs wires on the wrong way around
3) It started but run horrible, I left 2 vac leaks, large ones (forgot to take of the old break assist vac line)
So, its running now, I have a tidy up to do with the wiring and fusing, put the exhaust back on a and wire up the dash warning lights
Running vid:
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