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Panda (Classic) 3 Sisleys and a 'HOLE' lot of TLC

Introduction

So this weekend has been a rather busy one. After an impromtu ebay purchase, me and the old man made three 180 mile round trips to Gloucester to retrieve three Sisleys in various states of neglect.

1 red H reg with 95k on the clock and 2 blue F regs with 60 and 65k on the clock.

All have been off the road for quite some time and there are no documents to accompany them, but at £600 i thought it was a bit of a steal.

One of the blue ones has taken a nasty hit, and the sills are completely shot so the body is a no go. It still has the engine, gearbox and running gear. The other has a taken a shunt to the front left wing but with a strong amount of tlc could pass as a rough and ready green laner. With no gearbox and a pretty sad looking engine, i'll likely use the crumpled blue as a donor. Saying that all of the cars are non-runners and without having had a proper look im just speculating.

Now the red one is definately a feasible project, with 'fairly' solid sills and no major dents in the body work (despite the awful doors) she looks to be the bread winner of the lot. The inside isnt so 'wild' either.

The majority of the weekend has been spent loading, transporting and unloading, as well as cleaning out the garage for the new inhabitants so ive only managed to take a handfull of photos.

So the basic plan is to leave the red one for the time being, since she is the least desperate and doesnt look so much of an eye sore on the drive. My priority for now is to strip the blue without the gearbox and assess the body properlly to decide whether she is a keeper or not. If so ill be spending some time on the welder, scraping all of the broken bits and stripping the second blue for all of the useful parts (not keeping my hopes up though).

I'll try and keep the thread up to date with the work and have some more detailed pictures up next weekend after ive gone over the body with a screwdriver and hammer :D
I think he will be fine..

Keep the updates coming :)
The engine droop does make me wonder a bit, Vmac done it but it was on Bucket so cosmetic lift, Tibor done it on pandik but lift was over 3 inch.


As Andy said, clearance under sump guard is key factor, there is hardly enough space to drop engine by 8mm keeping the sump guard at std position.


Let's wait for the shells to be finished/solid and after that we can guide you through.
 
The plan is lift all tie rod swinging arms and struts 30mm adjusting the top centre of the struts to correct castor angle before any further lift a higher rear end will require a brake unloading valve lowering the central cv / uJs will prevent U.j wear at the diff a protective skid plate will cover this. Also looking into raising steering ball joints connection up 30 to prevent a clash with the body. Any one else with any other issues that might create problems would very helpful
 
To alter the caster angle you'll need to drill out the top mounting bolt hole on the hub carrier. Don't lift more than 25 mm on the front or you will smash the nearside drive shaft input flange. Jacob has done a good method using different ball joints, see his thread for details.
 
Yes I do agree we are attempting a body lift so every connection to engine and suspension will requre. 30mm SV
 
Yes I do agree we are attempting a body lift so every connection to engine and suspension will requre. 30mm SV

So this will be for "the look" only?

If the engine and box will be droped the g/box flange should be fine, but the lower arm mounting points would have to be extended as well.
You should not be worried about the UJ at the diff end, wedge spacers will keep rear axle at correct angle.
Safety first.
Focus on the rust threatment for now as lifting panda is wide subject.
 
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Well getting a higher ground clearance important but keeping the original all round geometry correct is the main aim rock roll and sway would then be minimal like having a laden roof rack or a passenger our plan is to make a more capable vehicle
 
Body lift in progress along with rust elimination well on the way
Bolt on front swinging arm lift prototype fits and positioned made from 60x60x2.5 r b s removal off flare to original fixing point slips straight over As the original fixing have compound angles this MUST be copied to ensure geometry Manufacturer or final new swing arm points on the way IMG_1479590854.343464.jpgIMG_1479591003.086585.jpgIMG_1479591019.271327.jpgi
 
Body lift of 50mm is now expected as the 35mm engine drop is very feasible
A box section has been added to front cross member to raise and the Carry tie rods , also any towing eyes or winch could easily fitted later
 
Updates following the last two weekends of work...

Mid-week body filler on the sills, patching up the dents made by the scrap yards pallet forks.

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Off side sill, now complete.

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Re-producing the heavily corroded arches. My welding has improved too... (well slightly)

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Dropping the suspension mount points 50mm (work in progress)

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All suspension mods are bolt-on, using polynuts for bolting to the body so the car can always be converted back to standard.

Drawings too follow if anyone else wants to give it a go... (obviously pending our build)
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Ok Considering this all lift kits are bolt on i.e. Bolt on spacers ect packers the original suspension mounts have not had heat applied which may cause deformation or adapted to compromise ther original design. The adaptions have to be undoubtably stronger
Also regulations state should not affect the handling of the vehicle
Our build keeps the whole geometry as designed with C G lift of about 20 mm Oh well it's only bolt. On !!!
 
I find it amusing how far cars from Woodleigh in Chesterfield can get.
We as a family have had probably 2 manual UNO's, 1 selecta UNO, and 1 Punto 5 door 75 ELX from them.
Sadly all are now deceased as most Fiats without due care and attention start to be untrustworthy after 50-75k, all the usual electric faults.
Only good news is that they are getting better and I am talking 15 - 25 years ago when we had them.
Lets hope your engine is a goodun and put the Woodleigh badge back on the Panda.
PS I could always get you a new sticker
Dave
 
I find it amusing how far cars from Woodleigh in Chesterfield can get.
We as a family have had probably 2 manual UNO's, 1 selecta UNO, and 1 Punto 5 door 75 ELX from them.
Sadly all are now deceased as most Fiats without due care and attention start to be untrustworthy after 50-75k, all the usual electric faults.
Only good news is that they are getting better and I am talking 15 - 25 years ago when we had them.
Lets hope your engine is a goodun and put the Woodleigh badge back on the Panda.
PS I could always get you a new sticker
Dave

I think I watched that white punto on e bay as it was not too far from me,do you remember swithland motor company in chesterfield ? I bough my tipo from them 26 years ago and I still have it !
 
The engine sounds sweet started on the button no rattlers brakes were great held the Toyota Land Cruiser back past the winking man into blackshaw moor that's a long steep , well at least it got the brakes cleaned up after 6months without moving . Just detailing drawings for the struts.
 
Slow progress this week, but progress none the less.

A rather sad looking donor panda

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One corroded, dented and deformed face panel removed.

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One replacement face panel positioned and tacked in place.

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Due to the fact that this is now the third face panel transplant, the previous spot welds had not been properly protected. Sitting with no bonnet for the past few years meant that drilling out the original spot welds would not be sufficient. Since there was significant corrosion to the wings also.

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A joddled overlap and double seam weld has been used on the inner wings where required.

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Damaged wings beaten and body filled

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Custom engine mount for 35mm engine drop

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Shock- hub carrier adaptor plate, allowing 50mm suspension raise

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