I had a little spare time tonight so I went to have a look at the Sisley to get a feel for what needs done when I start it's restoration after I finish te MK1.

To get to the point I think the original engine is going to need a lot of work. I'll know when i pull it out and start on it.

But, I'm definately not going to put the french Panda back on the road as I'm going to use a lot of it's panels for the Sisley. Also the 99 car has a great engine.

My question to our resident Panda experts is, how big a job would it be to fit the 1999 fuel injected engine into the Sisley. They are both 1lt engines so I presume they both more or less use the same block. My concern would be how straight forward mating the 4wd box up to the later engine. The other concern is the fact that the exhaust on the later engine is at the bulkhead side.

I know I need to use the ECU and will change the key system into the Sisley to as it is the later blue key with the chip in it.

It would make for a sympathetic upgrade to the Sisley, (electric windows, central locking, key immobilizer, injected engine) without losing to much of the cars originality.

Pointers please Panda experts :worship:

Sisleys had FIRE 999cc engines. Which is in your 1999 car? From your exhaust description, it sound like it a 899cc injection job? In which case the engine is older in design of course.

Most of the following presumes I have this right.

You will have to mate the exhaust somewhere underneath the car, not impossible, but will need hacksaw and joiner piece. They should be the same diameter.

You'll need any electric injection fuel pump. You can mount this in the engine bay perhaps. Alternatively, use the tank, line(s) and pump from the French car.

You'll need a wiring diagram for the ECU, which might be tricky to get actually. I don't have one. You probably could guess, but it depends on your experience! You don't NEED the ignition barrel necessarily, but it might be neater to install the immobiliser aerial on which as you point out will require the correct key.

The engine won't mate to the gearbox as designed for FIRE engine. Presuming the mk1 and mk2 4WD boxes are basically the same design (someone else know?), you'll need a mk1 bell housing or a complete gearbox to use to mate it to the 903cc engine as the mk1s used a 965cc unit derived from the same engine.

BTW, the 45HP 903cc injected engine will feel and is less powerful than the 999cc carb engine (50HP) it replaces.

What makes you think the engine is going to need work? I wouldn't be surprised if after a good service and check over it will be fine.

In my opinion I woldn't bother with the 899cc engine, too much work for not very much gain, a 1108 or 1242 FIRE would be a much better option, it would bolt straight up the the gearbox and existing engine mounts (the 899cc would require different engine mounts aswell as a MK1 Panda 4x4 box). You could also run it with a rejetted Panda carb so no need for any ECUs or messing around with electrics.

The only thing that you would need is an electric fuel pump as the bigger FIRE engines dont have the drive for a mechnical one.

Agree with the above, but presume Stuart is in the recycling having this donor car already!

panda1408 said:

What makes you think the engine is going to need work? I wouldn't be surprised if after a good service and check over it will be fine.

In my opinion I woldn't bother with the 899cc engine, too much work for not very much gain, a 1108 or 1242 FIRE would be a much better option, it would bolt straight up the the gearbox and existing engine mounts (the 899cc would require different engine mounts aswell as a MK1 Panda 4x4 box). You could also run it with a rejetted Panda carb so no need for any ECUs or messing around with electrics.

The only thing that you would need is an electric fuel pump as the bigger FIRE engines dont have the drive for a mechnical one.

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As Lewey says, it was more of an idea to recycle and update using the french Panda. Jim was with me today and the engine is of the 899 Cinq type so as you guys have said it won't do.
Thanks for all your input, it's back to plan A.