(T) Panda front suspension

KevinAlexLB · 30-01-2009

Does anyone know if the front springs and shock absorbers from a Panda 4x4 will fit on a 4x2? I wish to increase the ride height of my 2WD Panda to use in car trials, any advice would be appreciated. Its a 1990 model with the Omega beam rear suspension. Thanks.

JimMagill · 30-01-2009

Aye, bolt away, they're exactly the same car from the B post forward....

Jim

KevinAlexLB · 30-01-2009

Jim,
Thanks for that, I thought they should fit, but I also have been lead to believe that the hub carrier (ie the part with the lower ball joint pressed in) and the hub were different. Don't suppose you happen to have a pair of springs/shockers that you want to sell?
Cheers, Kevin

Pandaki · 30-01-2009

The difference is that the 4x4 shockers have bigger holes for the bolts connecting the pillar so you may need to drill the pillars' holes wider in order to fit the M10(are they?) bolts to the 4x2 pillar

Edit: Mine (4x4) had "modified" 4x2 pillars on...

JimMagill · 30-01-2009

or buy the 4x4 pillars

I paid about 100 quid each side but they were cheaper on ebay....

Jim

jangcy · 30-01-2009

As I know...and checked it twice with my 4x4 friends...
shock absorbers in 4x4 (front) are longer(higher)!! (springs may be different as well)
So it could be not good for 2x4 to fit them from 4x4!!

Most Easterly Pandas · 30-01-2009

would be very silly thing to do also as you'd blind all on coming drivers at night having a higher front and lower rear end.

Jim, you mentioned buying some off of eBay, were these a one off or is there a listing I keep missing? Just my Sisley needs two new front ones, and I'm not looking forward to the price (trying to put it off as long as I can)

Jon.

Pandaki · 01-02-2009

Originally Posted by KevinAlexLB

Does anyone know if the front springs and shock absorbers from a Panda 4x4 will fit on a 4x2? I wish to increase the ride height of my 2WD Panda to use in car trials, any advice would be appreciated. Its a 1990 model with the Omega beam rear suspension. Thanks.

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-clas...6-pillars.html

I hope this explains the difference in a bit more detail.

KevinAlexLB · 02-02-2009

Hi Pandaki, thanks for the info, if the bolts are bigger on 4x4 they must be 12mm as 4x2 bolts are 10mm.
Cheers

KevinAlexLB · 02-02-2009

Hi Jon, take your point but I'm intending to raise the rear as well. Re pillars, Ricambio International have 4x4 for £65 and 4x2 for £28.50, they have site on Ebay, just do a searh for "Panda ball joint". But try Interparts in Houslow - tel 020 8572 2217, contact Hani, I've just bought some parts from him, he's really helpful. If the only difference is the bolt size you could buy the 4x2 ones and drill them out!

Most Easterly Pandas · 02-02-2009

Rear pillars/shocks are different fit due to compleatly rear axels, so check that they'll fit before getting any other ones

Because I don't think they will.

KevinAlexLB · 02-02-2009

Yes the old forum thread helps. Ride height on 4x4 will be higher so makes sense that pillar will need to be a different angle so camber angle is correct. Part nos for springs, shockers and pillar are all different so I would assume that springs and shockers are longer, which makes sense. Thanks everyone for your help. Next question - has anybody got a set of 4x4 springs and shockers they want to sell?!! I can raise the rear by getting new longer springs made!

KevinAlexLB · 02-02-2009

Yes, the rear suspension is completely different on 4x2 and 4x4 - although (and I am guessing here!) the original Panda 4x2 had a live rear axle so springs/shockers at the back could be similar to 4x4. My 4x2 has the later "Omega" beam set-up at the rear so would expect everything to be different.

Pandaki · 02-02-2009

Originally Posted by KevinAlexLB

Yes, the rear suspension is completely different on 4x2 and 4x4 - although (and I am guessing here!) the original Panda 4x2 had a live rear axle so springs/shockers at the back could be similar to 4x4. My 4x2 has the later "Omega" beam set-up at the rear so would expect everything to be different.

Rear shocks have a different mounting point in 4x4 and 4x2 on the leaf spring/rear axle. Omega is another thing, as you say

Pandaki · 02-02-2009

Originally Posted by KevinAlexLB

Hi Pandaki, thanks for the info, if the bolts are bigger on 4x4 they must be 12mm as 4x2 bolts are 10mm.
Cheers

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JimMagill Northern Ireland Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carrickfergus Posts: 7,701 Thanks: 82 Trader Rating: 0	Re: Panda front suspension Aye, bolt away, they're exactly the same car from the B post forward.... Jim KevinAlexLB thanked for this post __________________ LittleFiatAdventure
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JimMagill Northern Ireland Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carrickfergus Posts: 7,701 Thanks: 82 Trader Rating: 0	Re: Panda front suspension or buy the 4x4 pillars I paid about 100 quid each side but they were cheaper on ebay.... Jim __________________ LittleFiatAdventure
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jangcy Get Your Own Title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: York Posts: 705 Thanks: 33 Trader Rating: 0	Re: Panda front suspension As I know...and checked it twice with my 4x4 friends... shock absorbers in 4x4 (front) are longer(higher)!! (springs may be different as well) So it could be not good for 2x4 to fit them from 4x4!! __________________ http://www.panda.fiat.prv.pl - Have you ever seen better car??? Last edited by jangcy; 30-01-2009 at 17:09.
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Most Easterly Pandas Speed Reader of the Year! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Norwich, Norfolk Posts: 39,683 Thanks: 1240 Trader Rating: 2	Re: Panda front suspension would be very silly thing to do also as you'd blind all on coming drivers at night having a higher front and lower rear end. Jim, you mentioned buying some off of eBay, were these a one off or is there a listing I keep missing? Just my Sisley needs two new front ones, and I'm not looking forward to the price (trying to put it off as long as I can) Jon. __________________ Most Easterly Panda's - Panda'ing in East Anglia Stockest of mk2 Panda Parts, PM for any parts requests 1993 Classic Panda Selecta, 1989 Panda 750L, 2015 Kia Soul EV, 2009 Qubo Dynamic Dualogic WAV & 2005 Panda Climbing 4x4 (LPG)
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Most Easterly Pandas Speed Reader of the Year! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Norwich, Norfolk Posts: 39,683 Thanks: 1240 Trader Rating: 2	Re: Panda front suspension Rear pillars/shocks are different fit due to compleatly rear axels, so check that they'll fit before getting any other ones Because I don't think they will. __________________ Most Easterly Panda's - Panda'ing in East Anglia Stockest of mk2 Panda Parts, PM for any parts requests 1993 Classic Panda Selecta, 1989 Panda 750L, 2015 Kia Soul EV, 2009 Qubo Dynamic Dualogic WAV & 2005 Panda Climbing 4x4 (LPG)
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Pandaki Get Your Own Title Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Athens Posts: 171 Thanks: 8 Trader Rating: 0	Re: Panda front suspension Originally Posted by KevinAlexLB Yes, the rear suspension is completely different on 4x2 and 4x4 - although (and I am guessing here!) the original Panda 4x2 had a live rear axle so springs/shockers at the back could be similar to 4x4. My 4x2 has the later "Omega" beam set-up at the rear so would expect everything to be different. Rear shocks have a different mounting point in 4x4 and 4x2 on the leaf spring/rear axle. Omega is another thing, as you say __________________ Adam was the only man that was the only man!
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