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Lancia Y10 4x4 vs. Panda 4x4

1. I'm able to get this Lancia 4x4 very cheap but I'm interested if it has same offroad performance as Panda 4x4 (body strenght, ground clearance, etc)?

2. Is body of Panda 4x4 and Panda 2WD the same?
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Re: Lancia Y10 4x4 vs. Panda 4x4

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... without mincing any words; that is a pug-ugly, boring-looking car !
It would have to be V E R Y cheap
however, if the setup is Puch-Styer or branded Halflinger .. go for it !
But, PLEASE, work on its looks.

The 4x4 Panda shares the same floorpan as the very early Pandas (the ones with corrugated doors and a tin grill), and the later Seat Marbellas. The latter are worth buying as they are properly rust-proofed, the 4x4 system fits straight onto pre-formed fittings ... and you can change the tailgate, front wings a bonnet for 'real ones' !
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I'm talking about Lancia like this but it's black, not pink . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Y10
It doesent look so bad to me.

Maybe you confused it with this Lancia, then I totaly agree with you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Ypsilon

Lancia that I'm talking about is more than twice cheaper than Pandas, it's drivable, but I have to check how much rust it has on sills and floor.
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Re: Lancia Y10 4x4 vs. Panda 4x4

The Y10 has switchable 4wheel drive to 2wd not sure if the Panda's do as well?

A friend has a Left hand drive Italian import as a daily runner and is a great laugh and goes pretty well off road especially tiny lanes
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Re: Lancia Y10 4x4 vs. Panda 4x4

I haven't ever actually clapped eyes on a 4x4 Y10 but I'd lay money on the oily bits being identical to the panda. It was based off the same floorpan and the 2wd versions are totally interchangeable with pandas, even down to the oddball CVT auto. got loads of bits of my old y10 bolted into my current car. There's no way fiat went off and developed a seperate 4wd system!
check hard for rust though. Mine rusted way worse even than the Pandas or the uno I've owned from the same era. door bottoms same as the panda but also door tops under the trim, front and rear windscreen surrounds (and a lot harder to remove and repair than the Panda) wheel arches, sills, bootlid around the lock, etc etc. Bonnet was OK! that was about it.
if it's OK though - seriously rare car and really nice.
if it's knackered buy it anyway and keep it squirreled away to pimp up a Panda!
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Re: Lancia Y10 4x4 vs. Panda 4x4

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Lancia 4WD has higher ratios and less ground clearance than Panda 4x4.
Lancia has vacuum- or electric-switchable rear drive, Panda has manual.
Lancia has free-wheeling hubs (also vacuum- or electric) in rear wheels, Panda doesn't. Some italian Panda 4x4 fans add free-wheeling hubs for their Pandas, but they are manual (more durable), especially made for Panda.
Lancias are more "luxurious" inside (velour etc.)
Lancias 4WD are much cheaper in Italy than Pandas 4x4.
So I think for serious off-road work Panda is better, for on-road Lancia is better.
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Body of 4x4 and 4x2 Pandas is basically the same, only with higher and different suspension.

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Re: Lancia Y10 4x4 vs. Panda 4x4

Quote Originally Posted by jamie86 View Post
The Y10 has switchable 4wheel drive to 2wd not sure if the Panda's do as well?
Yep, normally only 2WD, and 4WD selectable in the Panda 4x4

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Body of 4x4 and 4x2 Pandas is basically the same, only with higher and different suspension.
I think there is something else as well. Not sure though

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Re: Lancia Y10 4x4 vs. Panda 4x4

Pretty sure my mate said over a certain speed it goes into 2WD automatically... The Y10 that is
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Re: Lancia Y10 4x4 vs. Panda 4x4

I need a car capable of serious off-roading (for fun), driving in snow and mud. This year I got stuck in snow twice and once in mud with my 2WD car.

I'm not so sure if I should buy Lancia then. Is there a big difference in ratio of 1. gear? Is electric switchable rear drive bad thing (overheats after some time, etc)?
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I need a car capable of serious off-roading (for fun), driving in snow and mud. This year I got stuck in snow twice and once in mud with my 2WD car.

I'm not so sure if I should buy Lancia then. Is there a big difference in ratio of 1. gear? Is electric switchable rear drive bad thing (overheats after some time, etc)?
hmmm, let's see, Italian, electrical, Italian, electrical.... I'm seeing a potential pitfall here
in my experience also if serious off roading is involved don't forget the Y10 will dissolve if you drive it through a puddle. I know it's a lancia cliche but mine really was that bad. The Panda bodywork is actually a lot more robust (now there's a sentence you don't see very often)
still a great source of fancy trim and slightly upgraded oily bits though if it really is cheap.
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I think there is something else as well. Not sure though

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Re: Lancia Y10 4x4 vs. Panda 4x4

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not the big ol drive shaft to the rear wheels perchance
That's the one, lol

No, I remember now, I was getting confused between the shell differences with the Manual and Auto 2WD's.
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not the big ol drive shaft to the rear wheels perchance
Uno Driver asked about differences in body, not drivetrain or suspension.
My mates added rear drive to front drive Pandas (and Marbellas). It's easier to do with Mk.I (and Marbella), than with Mk. II (Omega axle). You have ready mounting points for rear suspension in Mk. I, you must add them in Mk. II. But it's possible.
About technical minor details you must ask our italian friends at: http://www.panda4x4.info/forum/index.asp

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Re: Lancia Y10 4x4 vs. Panda 4x4

Today I went to see this Lancia and it's very rusty (especially sills), so I will try to find rust-free Panda then
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Today I went to see this Lancia and it's very rusty (especially sills), so I will try to find rust-free Panda then
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