I'm fitting a punto 1.1 fire into a panda. After looking over the engine it seems it will transplant fine apart from the punto engine has nowhere to connect the pandas mechanical fuel pump.

Obviously the engine was fuel injection but I remember reading that at least one person on here managed to fit a fire 1.1 engine into a panda running with a carburetor and presumably mechanical fuel pump?

The only options i have come up with are either bodging in an electric fuel pump of some kind or swapping the whole small end with one from a older 999 fire. but i worry if a 999 cam head will work correctly with a 1.1 :/

Suggestions chaps?

Fitting an electric pump off the ignition isn't really a 'bodge'
it's getting the carb to work thats the bodge...

isnt the bit still there on the 1.1 head to drill an tap a pump mount?

Normally is dave BUT there often isn't a lobe on the cam to run it.

i was under the impression that all the FIRE heads are interchangeable?

Think they are trying to avoid splitting a perfectly good engine & changing the head gasket.

e505jpy said:

Fitting an electric pump off the ignition isn't really a 'bodge'
it's getting the carb to work thats the bodge...

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Any suggestions on what kind of pump to use? It would probably be fairly easy getting it to work with the carb using a 'T' split on the pipe for the return line. All the electric pumps seem to fit inside the fuel tank :/

Jim fitted his on the inner wing and there is a post on the conversion. It was before going to America with Sylvia so it would probably be on the panda to America thread.

dave said:

isnt the bit still there on the 1.1 head to drill an tap a pump mount?

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The bit is still there and the pump can still be attached however there is nolonger a moving rod to drive the pump. Its just blanked off.



Left is the old one with rod to drive the pump.
Right is the new one just blanked off.

Would it be possible to drill a hole through and add a pin? I guess this could destroy the whole small end if i did it wrong :/

Alan.D said:

Think they are trying to avoid splitting a perfectly good engine & changing the head gasket.

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head gaskets are about £8 though eh, and if theres an 999cc engie already in there - can use the head from that?

arc said:

head gaskets are about £8 though eh, and if theres an 999cc engie already in there - can use the head from that?

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There are pros and cons to that. The head gasket may never have been changed and could blow just after I fitted the engine and need to be done then anyway so in that respect its worth doing.

...but its always been a little unclear how different the 999 cam is to the 1.1 and also I hate gasket changes. The last one ended in disaster

are valves same sizes?

Okay had a good look through the forum this evening and the conclusion would seem to be fitting an electric pump is the best option.

Sooo what pump? ;p This one looks rather dashing http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Electric-Fuel...4QQihZ008QQcategoryZ43122QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

do you have to have the right presure for a carp, or dont it matter?

In-line electric fuel pumps are no major problem.

However, make sure you buy a decent unit otherwise it may cause you lots of grief. I have used Walbro pumps in the past on my jap crap and I can't say enough good about them.

A generic one that should sort you is here, http://www.expressfuelpumps.com/gsl391-190lph-walbro-inline-fuel-pump-universal-p-3782.html

I've bought from express pumps in the past too and with the $-£ exchange rate, its a pretty cheap solution.

Jaff_Fox said:

Sooo what pump? ;p This one looks rather dashing http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Electric-Fuel...4QQihZ008QQcategoryZ43122QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Note that it says the pump is a push type. That means that it probably won't self prime if you mount it up front.

when i did my 1242 4x4 it was easy !!

i just put the original head off the 999 engine onto the 1242 block.

valves,ect are all the same. its an easy way to do it. and probably more reliable than using an electric fuel pump.
doing the head gasket it a quick easy job.

infact i found it LOADS !! quicker to put the engine and gearbox etc,, in the car without the head on ! i makes getting to awkward bolts suddenly easy, and mount the starter motor ect..
also i had to use the 1242 starter motor to fit in, u the 1.1 doesnt have this problem.

get it all in there nice then put the head on.

by making it quiker i mean
i did it ALL including welding/extending the downpipe (not required for the 1.1)
in a day and a half on my own, without an engine hoist and only 2 scissor jacks.thats from driving to driving too.

give me a PM if you need any help mate.

aran.

The co-driver said:

In-line electric fuel pumps are no major problem.

However, make sure you buy a decent unit otherwise it may cause you lots of grief. I have used Walbro pumps in the past on my jap crap and I can't say enough good about them.

A generic one that should sort you is here, http://www.expressfuelpumps.com/gsl391-190lph-walbro-inline-fuel-pump-universal-p-3782.html

I've bought from express pumps in the past too and with the $-£ exchange rate, its a pretty cheap solution.

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Thanks.. Although thats all fine at that price I have to start asking if its good economics. I didn't pay much more than that for the engine and gearbox... :/

Jaff_Fox said:

Thanks.. Although thats all fine at that price I have to start asking if its good economics. I didn't pay much more than that for the engine and gearbox... :/

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Thats alas, is always the down side. When you start modifying a car it hurts the wallet.

I have rectified this issue in what I deem to be the easiest and cheapest way:

https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-guides/113472-fitting-old-carburettor-fuel-pump-punto-engine.html