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850 Fiat 850 Race Car Restoration Diary

Introduction

Hi all,

making a start on diarising activities on my second Fiat 850 series 2. I've had this one for more than 10 years, but other activities have taken precedence. The intention is to fully strip, repair and build to a race car specification. A number of other restorations documented on the web have provided inspiration for what I want to achieve - more along the lines of Fiat Abarth 1000 OTR.

Inspiration:
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Current State:
Exterior:
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Usual rust spots:
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Interior
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Next work planned is to construct new seat mounts for the driver, to enable installation of an OMP race seat, which is considerably lower and more supportive than the original ones - major benefit that the top of my helmet does not hit the roof when driving!

Happy grinding to all this Christmas season.
Good to see this. I always thought the 850 Coupe and Spider were nice looking cars and I'm of an age where low priced cars are automatically small hatchbacks. I do mourn the passing of cars like the Spitfire, Midget and 850 Spider.

Good luck with the work and please keep us up to date. Can't wait to see you thrash all those Holdens and Falcons at Bathurst.;)
 
Good luck with the work and please keep us up to date. Can't wait to see you thrash all those Holdens and Falcons at Bathurst.;)
With Holden and Ford pulling out of manufacturing cars here, the future for the v8 series will an interesting journey. Hopefully the annual Fiat outing at Mt Panorama will still be happening when I finish(y)
 
I'd heard about Holden but I didn't know Ford were packing it in as well. It seems you're having your own BL moment down there, but in a fashion, worse as the whole shebang looks like it might be going.

Don't the Japanese makers have any kind of facilities in Oz?
 
Toyota still manufacture cars here, time will tell whether the labour rates are too high to be sustainable. But the Aussie dollar is slipping, so there may be hope for manufacturing.
 
:):)HELLO FRIEND, I believe that bodywork as a coupe very nice lines, not if you have the original mechanical or plan to work on another engine, whatever I think when finished will be an automobile beautiful, I would like to see more images for the advancement of your project. in my project I saw many images on the web that served as encouragement and ideas for my work, I say just go ahead with that and I am at your disposal for any questions:):)
 
:):)HELLO FRIEND, I believe that bodywork as a coupe very nice lines, not if you have the original mechanical or plan to work on another engine, whatever I think when finished will be an automobile beautiful, I would like to see more images for the advancement of your project. in my project I saw many images on the web that served as encouragement and ideas for my work, I say just go ahead with that and I am at your disposal for any questions:):)
Thanks Diluppo - things are moving slowly over Christmas, but it's always forward. It's going to be a slow grind to get to the end :)
 
It's nice to see one on it's way back to being driven, unlike this poor little example I spotted in the scrap yard yestarday.
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I have only just found out on the VW forum that it's a Fiat, all identifying markings had been removed.
Poor little car.


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Toyota still manufacture cars here, time will tell whether the labour rates are too high to be sustainable. But the Aussie dollar is slipping, so there may be hope for manufacturing.

The news in recent UK motoring mags was that Toyota intends to end car production in Australia in 2017 saying it would no longer be cost effective (how I hate those words!).

Al.
 
I sure do! I bought two of them for $300 with tons of parts from multiple cars. I stripped one of the down to nothing but metal, and then scrapped it. I hated doing it but I beyond restoration. :(
 
Hi all,
well progress has been glacially slow since the start of the year due to work and family commitments. Usually a couple of hours each weekend is all that is available, but managed to get a few days time in lieu off work recently to achieve some results.

Picking up from December's post, I finished off fabricating the drivers side seat mounts but was vacillating about the results, and whether to do the same for the passenger side. The problem was that results (which you can see in the lower right of the last photo of 22-Dec) clearly not out of the factory, and frankly UGLY.

After a lot of chin scratching I grabbed the big angle grinder and chopped them out.

Side note: Those that know me, know that I'm not adverse to letting the sparks fly with the grinder. I've had a small 4" grinder forever, but recently picked up a bigger 6" grinder with speed control. Loving the capability of having a bigger cutting disk, as it makes it much easier to cut through box sections with a single plunge. Second, also found that disk manufacturers are now making ultra thin cutting disks that make it possible to make fast surgical slices less than 1mm wide, instead of 3-4mm wide cuts if using the standard old school cutting disks. Only drawback is that they wear quickly, and are easily damaged.

After cleaning up welds and hammering flat the car floor, it was time to mark out the location of version 2 seat mounts. I've found that red pencils borrowed from the kids school bag are very useful for marking out, as the colour stands out against the grey steel. For my seat, I've moved it inboard by about 15mm compared to the original seats.

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Once the location had been established, I mocked up the sides of the seat mounts using alternating layers of masking tape and cardboard.

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Top tip: Use a datum line to establish the cutting lines. In this case a length of angle iron was set on top of the sills on either side of the car, and a measuring gauge aided the transfer of shape from the inner sill to the cardboard. The astute among you might say "you could have used a profile gauge for that!" Well maybe, but I dont have one, and the cardboard templates are make it easier to visualize the result and verify before cutting steel.

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Fortunately the original mounts were still on the shelf, rather than tossed in the garbage bin months ago. Using a box cutter to remove the cardboard from the car, the template was laid on the original seat mounts, and the cutting line traced on.

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After removing the seat rails and general cleanup, the mounts were trimmed and test fitted to the car several times until right. It pays to take your time here, because at most there should be a 1mm gap between mount and floor of the car prior to welding. Remember to paint inside the mounts before welding too - you can't get in there afterwards.

The mounts were tack welded in, checked again for squareness and level. And double checked again! Finally they were slowly mig welded in, taking time at each spot weld to cool, and minimise heat distortion, then ground back welds with a die grinder and carbide burr.

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Hopefully the neighbours will talk to me again after making so much noise!

Other tidbits of info
1) The central tunnel tapers in width from the rear of the car to the front of the car
2) The seats rails in the 850 are not aligned straight ahead, they are pointed slightly inboard.
3) The clear space between the inner sill and the tunnel is about 10mm wider on the passenger side of my car. Don't take it for granted that the car is symmetrical!
4) For reference the standard seat rails are 348mm centre to centre.
 
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I have done a similar job mounting a race seat in my coupe. I had to mount mine well inboard as well and the seat points a bit to the centre too. It also tilts a bit inboard so the door will actually shut [when its fitted] The seat is a Sparco and I only have one seat, they take up a lot of room.

Tried to post a photo here but seems I have to make 5 posts first!

Car is off the rotisserie now and I am working in the front. I have gone the front radiator route. Car is being built mainly for hill climbs. Probably should start a new thread.
 
Hi Ramona,
Nice to hear of another 850 in Australia. The after market seats can be a bit of a challenge to fit in such narrow cars. When had my seat in my other 850, I modified the "wings" at shoulder height so they did not impinge on the door. I should even more clearance due to moving the seats inboard.

Cheers.
 
I notice you have rust in the usual spots in the front compartment. Are you planning to instal a front radiator? I have removed all the excess metalwork in the front, even the plenum under the windscreen.
 
I notice you have rust in the usual spots in the front compartment. Are you planning to instal a front radiator? I have removed all the excess metalwork in the front, even the plenum under the windscreen.
No, intending to keep the radiator in the rear. I'd like to leave the option of historic racing open, and it's not clear to me yet whether mods of that type would be acceptable.
 
Probably more than 20 years ago I tried to join HSRCA and have my Fiat rebuilt as a replica period race car. They flatly refused saying that Fiat 850 coupe's did not race in Australia! Several did of course, you may remember Gerard Gotch leaving the Amaroo Park circuit via the trees! It was the last meeting at Amaroo. Speedweek showed a video of the incident on 20/9/98. I corresponded a bit showing evidence that they had raced but they were pretty unpleasant about the whole deal. I bet it's an entirely different attitude now.
I have one of those NZ built wishbone front ends so would not meet the regulations now anyway. I decided that it was pointless to try and build to one of those categories so I might as well go the whole hog.
 
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