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hi there I have a problem with my 2012 fiat 500 I had a battery drain that kept coming back so done a amp check through the battery which was reading 16 amps I checked the fuses one by one to find the drain and found one in the fuse box in the glove shelf it was 3rd up from the bottom on the left side I didn't know what it was for I had no warning lights on the dash so thought I would take it out and see what it was powering I turned the key to on position and the brake light and abs light came on put fuse back in they stayed on I bought a diagnostic tool which connects to fiat cars there was one code c1115-16 saying valve relay below threshold the diagnostic would not turn this code off or the lights even though the tool says delete code successful the car was completely warning light free before this has any one have any ideas what could be the cause of this ,, thanks in advance for any information ,, boysy
 
What diagnostic tool did you buy? there have been many posts on our forum about scanners etc which do not work properly.

PS. 16 amps is a big current. not going to be something like an interior light.

PPS. How did you do the current draw test?

I looked up C1115 and it seems to be ABS unit related. looks like when you pulled the fuse and switched the ignition on the ABS ECU logged the code, probably because the fuse you pulled was it's power supply? and then the scanner you bought hasn't been anle to clear it so that's why the light is still lit?

My next move would be to find someone, maybe a forum member, with Multiecuscan (MES) and get it scanned with that. It should be able to clear any stored codes too. If you tell us what part of the country you are in maybe someone nearby could help?
 
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hi there I have a problem with my 2012 fiat 500 I had a battery drain that kept coming back so done a amp check through the battery which was reading 16 amps I checked the fuses one by one to find the drain and found one in the fuse box in the glove shelf it was 3rd up from the bottom on the left side I didn't know what it was for I had no warning lights on the dash so thought I would take it out and see what it was powering I turned the key to on position and the brake light and abs light came on put fuse back in they stayed on I bought a diagnostic tool which connects to fiat cars there was one code c1115-16 saying valve relay below threshold the diagnostic would not turn this code off or the lights even though the tool says delete code successful the car was completely warning light free before this has any one have any ideas what could be the cause of this ,, thanks in advance for any information ,, boysy
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Hi :)
Not a common fault.. what rating fuse?

https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-pu...iring-issue-c1115-fault-code-2.html?p=4362817

Maybe try the power down technique.. ( to clear fault code)
As you say its odd that pulling a fuse brought this on

BUT you appeared to have a wiring issue beforehand.. :eek:


Being a 500..
Well worth ruling out bad hatch wiring too ;)
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hi every one it was a blue mini 15 amp fuse my diagnostic tool is a launch CRP V115+ I am in Llandrindod wells in Powys wales what sort of diagnostic tool do you all rate that would do the job of turning out the lights and clearing the code I also have a flashing odd meter that been there well before this trouble thanks for all the info and any more to come this is such a good sight I cant believe how much trouble people have with there fiats.
 
Hi :)

The flashing mileage is normally the various bits of kit dotted around vehicle not working as a network...
Aftermarket radio is a favourite culprit :eek:

MuliECUScan software will sort both

..

I dont get over to Llan.dod so often now.. but could potentially meet you out by Llandovery.. or Sennybridge

One we are allowed out ;)

Charlie EbbwVale
 
hi Charlie if I haven't got it sorted by then that would be great is my scanner not good enough for this job every thing is working except for those two lights staying on and the writing when I start the car up I made a mistake with the amp draining it is 0.16 amps not 16 amp what scanner do you have is it an expensive one
 
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What diagnostic tool did you buy? there have been many posts on our forum about scanners etc which do not work properly.

PS. 16 amps is a big current. not going to be something like an interior light.

PPS. How did you do the current draw test?

I looked up C1115 and it seems to be ABS unit related. looks like when you pulled the fuse and switched the ignition on the ABS ECU logged the code, probably because the fuse you pulled was it's power supply? and then the scanner you bought hasn't been anle to clear it so that's why the light is still lit?

My next move would be to find someone, maybe a forum member, with Multiecuscan (MES) and get it scanned with that. It should be able to clear any stored codes too. If you tell us what part of the country you are in maybe someone nearby could help?
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Sounds plausible jock :)

Op. boysy Is intetested in obtaining MES

The terms they have used of a 'bundle' with the registered version didnt mean much to me.. :eek: ( bought mine years ago in a piecemeal fashion.. )

How was your buying..and first user.. experience Jock?

Charlie
 
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How was your buying..and first user.. experience Jock?

Charlie
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Hi Charlie.

I'd come across mentions of Multiecuscan (think I saw mention of it being called Fiatecuscan?) before when looking for info on our old Felicity - 1992 Panda) and read with great interest about people on the forum using it in the days before I registered on the forum. So when we replaced Felicity with Becky and my boy bought his Punto, and I discovered I couldn't reset the service reminders without a scanner, and then that Becky and the Punto have so much more electronic "stuff" than dear old Felicity, it really was not difficult to decide to buy MES.

Obtaining the software of course is the easy bit, anyone can download from the MES site. So, as recommended by forum members, I downloaded it and had a play with the simulations. There's a lot that's different to VCDS but the program is actually quite a lot more user friendly. Just takes a while to get the head round it. It is a less powerful program than VCDS but I have found that I don't do the more complicated, and risky, procedures that the VCDS program allows because I don't want to risk my ignorance to allow me to damage stuff (for instance long coding?). So actually the simpler nature of MES was an attraction.

Ok, so I'd decided to buy. Having owned VAG-COM (now called VCDS) for a number of years I had become used to just plugging the one interface in and having access to all of the computer modules on my VAG vehicles in one go. One of the ways in which I use it is to do a whole vehicle scan for stored codes before starting almost any work on the vehicle, that way I know if something flags up subsequently it's almost certainly been caused by something "stupid" I've done whilst working on it, but also I then know if something, perhaps not covered in the service procedure, is requiring to be looked at. So I didn't like the way that MES has different interfaces for the different ECUs. Then I spotted the Multplexed interface which is pretty much exactly what the VCDS one is. It was pretty much no contest then as regards which interface to buy but it did take a wee while to justify to myself spending the money it costs.

It was around this time that I first made contact with Gendan and it was Grant who picked up the 'phone. I must have rung him at least a half dozen times with "silly" questions trying to make up my mind to buy and he even answered a couple about my VCDS - which I didn't buy from them - He was always very patient and incredibly helpful. We now quite regularly exchange emails and I can't speak highly enough about him. Just of late I've been trying to read fuel trims on the Panda and Punto and he's been very helpful. The Magneti Marrelli control units don't display fuel trims in the way the Bosch ones (in the VAG stuff) do. If you are unsure about anything do give them a ring.

Fortunately another part of my hobby activities is renovating vintage horticultural machinery. Which I then keep and use. Local people are aware of this so, occasionally, someone will gift me an old strimmer or other machine which they've broken and replaced with a new one. I keep them for spares, however often they are repairable but, being newer models, are not of special interest to me. I decided to Gumtree a couple of my less "precious" possessions and managed to, nearly, raise enough funds! I ordered the Multiplex version from Gendan and it arrived very quickly indeed. By the way, if you are going to buy the multiple lead version - which is much more economical to buy and most people seem, unsurprisingly, to go for this option - I've come across many posts, and other stuff on the wider internet, describing the problems people have had with "cheapoe" interfaces bought on line. Has to be said though that some seem to work just fine. My Electronic skills do not extend to component level so I can't start "fiddling" about with, for instance, removing resistors etc. I would strongly recommend buying from a trusted source. (for me that means Gendan. By the way, I have no vested interest in Gendan other than hoping they continue to give me the valued support they give to me right now)

With the Multiplexed version the drivers etc are all installed on the interface itself so you can download the version of the software you have paid for onto as many computers as you like and switch the interface between them. The multi lead versions only work on the one machine. Getting the interface to work was the only bit I had a little difficulty with. It didn't like the COM port my laptop wanted it to work with so I had to learn how to change the assigned COM port and then it didn't want to work with the assigned speed rate (forget what it's called). The drop down menu gives optional speeds so I just started switching between them until I found one that worked (which turned out to be 115200 - if that helps anyone) I got a lot of help from both Grant and forum members with this - I think you were one and so was PB if I remember. Also has to be said that I created problems for myself by not, very carefully, reading the installation instructions that came with the interface?

So then I had it all up and running, plugged it into the cars and a clicked "Scan DTC". Yikes, both cars showing DTCs! including ABS, body control module, etc, etc. I'm not too bad with engine stuff but not so good with others so this frightened me. I wrote it all down on a piece of paper and cleared all the stored faults. None came back immediately (ie when the car was driven round the block) so I then rechecked the Panda after a couple of days and it was still all clear. Checked the Punto after about a month (it lives at my boy's house) and it had stayed clear too. I've since discovered that, occasionally, random codes will be thrown which seem to have no good explanation for why they've appeared. Of course you should consider the implications of the code but often if you just clear them they will not return. If it comes back quite quickly then you know you've definitely got a problem though - I always take a note of the code before clearing.

So, now a couple of years down the line with MES what do I think of it? I absolutely wouldn't be without it! You can run real time outputs etc under "Parameters" and graph their outputs (I find graphing especially useful. for instance Oxygen sensors, comparing pre and post cat outputs can help quickly and reliably diagnose cat problems. or you might want to look at alternator output to check a diode problem, and so on and so on. Just check the box against what you want to graph whilst in "Parameters" and then click on "Graph"). Of course you can check for stored trouble codes (DTCs - Diagnostic Trouble Codes) and if it finds one it very helpfully suggests likely reasons - you still need to think it through though. For instance if it says a sensor is at fault it could be a connector or lead problem - all the ECU knows is that it's not getting the response from the sensor it expects. I love being able to "drive" components. The software prompts you with what to expect when you activate a component which is very helpful when you first start. For instance the slow speed on the radiator fan in my boy's Punto didn't seem to be working so I could drive slow speed and them high speed which allowed me to find that the resistor (on the radiator surround) is open circuit due to corrosion - needs a new one. His air con hasn't worked for some time so I was also able to drive the compressor clutch and found it to be working but I've subsequently found that the slow speed rad fan needs to be functional before the aircon will run. I've got a new resistor pack sitting waiting to be fitted when I'm allowed so It'll be interesting to see if the aircon "wakes up". Then there's "Adjustments" which varies from vehicle to vehicle, but for instance allows the "Phonic wheel relearn" if you get problems with the check engine light illuminating after doing a timing belt on the 8 valve FIRE engines. The only thing which really frightens me is a "Proxy Alignment" as it seems you can do a lot of damage if you don't get it right. Haven't needed to do one so far though!

I could go on with this for ages. So I think it best to say that if, like me, you do most of your own repair and maintenance work on your Fiat/Alfa/Suzuki SX4 then you really can't do without it. It helps if you have some diagnostic knowledge before you start but the program is so user friendly that it really does lead you by the nose and if you find yourself really up a blind ally some time you can get on here and plumb the membership for advice (and there are a lot of people on here who use MES often) or you can ring up Gendan (especially if you buy from them) Grant was very helpful when I had trouble getting my windows 10 laptop to speak to the interface. By the way, I'm a strong believer in connecting with a wired connection. When you start getting into things a bit more deeply if you are connected on bluetooth (for instance) and you were to loose the connection in the middle of doing something critical it could all end in tears. So it's wired for me.

If you are, like me, besotted with motor vehicles, you'll find you learn something new nearly every time you connect up. Then when you begin to understand more about it all there is a plethora of tutorials on you tube which will keep you occupied for hours. Although you are learning on a Fiat, a lot of this stuff - but be careful because not all - is generically applicable to most other vehicles. Beware though because you'll then find you want to buy a more generic scanner and a good one of them ain't cheap! Have a look at the Foxwell stuff, I don't think they charge for software updates? which is a major consideration over the years. By the way, because it's simple (relatively) to use and understand compared to VCDS, I've learned and understood things about how components etc work through using MES which I've then subsequently been able to benefit from when on my VCDS.

So, Go on, buy one. You know you want to! It's a lot more fun sitting in the car on a nice warm summer evening "playing" with your MES than sitting in the living room whilst your Mrs watches Eastenders or endless repeats of people being shown houses they are not going to buy by presenters who laugh far to much at inappropriate moments.

Stay safe everyone
Jock
 
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hi jock and Charlie well the pack from gendan mes came this morning well fast I think I have done every think right on my laptop lets hope as I am a silver surfer on the computer its say it got the license with it and then says if you want the full licence I can buy it is there a difference ? I will be going to try it out after iv had my tea fingers crossed I can reset my abs and break light for they came on together lets hope iv done every thing right will post on here catch you both later yours tony.
 
hi did not get a thing on my laptop when I plugged it into my car i must have done some thing wrong on the set up will try again there's things on the paperwork I don't quite understand its not to clear when you go on some of there web pages you cant find the parts to download and im not to sure about the license and there's a software activation promo code highlighted in high vid yellow do I need to get a full license to work this set
 
boysy said:
hi did not get a thing on my laptop when I plugged it into my car i must have done some thing wrong on the set up will try again there's things on the paperwork I don't quite understand its not to clear when you go on some of there web pages you cant find the parts to download and im not to sure about the license and there's a software activation promo code highlighted in high vid yellow do I need to get a full license to work this set
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Sounds very like my first try too! As I said previously, it was the com port number and the baud rate (thanks Charlie) which were my problems. My laptop kept trying to assign it a com port it didn't want to work on and the baud rate suggested in the literature didn't line up either. I've been trying to remember where I found the com port in my computer and can't remember how I got there?

For the baud rate (speed) I went into the settings (bottom left corner of the first page that opens when you wake up MES) click on it and in the window which opens click on interfaces. The first box at the top should be showing the interface selected and the next one down is the baud rate. I just worked my way through the ones available until I found it worked on 115200. Yours may be different because it's not the multiplexed version. I really am a dinosaur when it comes to computers so I'm afraid I don't know technically what I did, but it worked.

I also found that I'd failed to properly understand the installation instructions but after reading them through a few times things became much clearer. I sympathize with your frustration though, It's awful when you can't play with the new toy.

Oh, just thought, did you have the ignition switch in the run position (doesn't need to actually have the engine running unless you want live data) but the ign must be on to connect.
 
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hi jock and Charlie well the pack from gendan mes came this morning well fast I think I have done every think right on my laptop lets hope as I am a silver surfer on the computer its say it got the license with it and then says if you want the full licence I can buy it is there a difference ? I will be going to try it out
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It sounds like you have the 'free demo' version..with limited access..
But is an ideal 'toe in the water'.. to get a flavour of how it works ;)

The 50euro full licence covers a HUGE range of accessibility.

Ok.. what cables have you currently got?

I would set.up the basic engine features 1st.. no coloured adaptors required :)
 
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hi there guys I have all the coloured leads and the obd link sx and the kkl just been and plugged in the obd link sx after going on the free multiecuscan and went on the setting I have got the right port but cant see any obd link sx in the list that comes up so I just clicked on the obd, usb, blue tooth and it came up with you need the registered full license to run this interface why do you think there is no obd link sx on the drop down menu ,, yours tony.
 
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