Panda Hello and engine help..

[Daleboy]

Hi and hello...
Ive just bought my son a fiat panda 2005 1.2 ..
Cracking little car, if i could get it running. Ive just fitted a replacement engine.
When engine arrived it was a little different. Rocker box, alternator pully. Etc. So swaped it all over from old engine and ..... it wont start.. ive put some fuel down the manifold and she fires iti life.. ive spark and fuel but it refuses to start.. ive replaced fuel pump.
Has anyone had same problems.. fixes?

Thanks in advance...

 

[2668GRIFFIN]

I would imagine the ecu is not compatible with the new engine as you say it is a
different one to you old
LUIGI

 

[DaveMcT]

You must have the complete set of imobiliser chips, engine ECU, body computer and instrument panel. They permanently lock themselves together when first powered up. Try the original engine ECU and see how it goes.

 

[A3jeroen]

If it runs on fuel you supply, I'd consider looking at the cranksensor. Maybe the sensor from the old engine can be swapped.

gr J

 

[portland_bill]

Your original engine would have had the 'square' oil cap and the 'new' engine has a round one, next to which is was a cam sensor.
The later engine uses both crank and cam sensors to arrange the spark, so the crank sensor may be different. Worth swapping from the old engine.
As long as you are using your original ignition system complete, all should work. The engine is a mechanical lump, with only minor changes for the later engine, so the electronincs will not sense that. But of course you don't know if the original ignition system was ok.

So why did it need an engine? These are very robust and last for ever if cared for. The electronics however can give up. You might now be trying to fix the original fault, and the engine might have been red herring.
Give us some more details of original failure and diagnosis.

 

[Eklipze3k]

Following on from bill's post above - some more info about the original problem, and indeed which engine we're dealing with, will definitely help.

 

[Daleboy]

Thanks for reply's.
IT RUNS.... so the bottom pully is different. Different timing marks on the inner cambelt pully, the camshaft pully is also different and cannot be changed, as camshaft is larger, and the top timming sensor is shorter.have been really stumped.. fuel, spark.. i removed timingbelt and found no pully timing marks so static timed everthing, after all this i resprted poiring fuel in it again and again...
Then i thought ill just change map sensor for the spare that cam with engine and boom off she went like a little sewing machine. bloody map sensor was faulty. Went to fit alternator belt and its different again. Little fix. So tommorow we shall see..
Bought it with headgasket blown non runner for my son.removed head and looks like the reactor no4 and chernoble, man that must of got hot!! Agsin thanks for yoir advice.

 

[portland_bill]

Hopefully top pulley still looks like a pulley. Then it shoud be the 60hp engine, so a replacement for the original.
Later still had 70hp engine, with variable valve timing. Top pulley houses the timing adjuster mechanism, so looks different.
The intermediate engine was different with timing belt, tooth profile, and tensioner was now automatic. There are no timing marks. Some pulleys have some marks, but they may not align with anything meaningful.
Get a Haynes manual and read the differences. When timing belt needs replacing, you'll need holding tools and follow the intermediate procedure in Haynes.
Spark plugs are smaller thread size. You'll need NGK DCPR7E-N-10, short code 4983.
Cam cover gasket is different.
Oil filter is different, yours should be 64mm dia seal.
All engine bits will be listed as 'From eng no. 2533528'.