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Hello, This is my first post so please excuse me if it should be somewhere else!

I've just bought a Panda 4x4 2005 and will be taking it to Mongolia next year. However i want to get to know it a little better before I set out. I'm going to change the suspension as it's the part that will take the biggest hits. Who are the best suppliers for 4x4 suspension / springs etc.

Also I'd really like to have a look at engine options. 1.2 is the maximum but maybe a newer engine and ECU/key/ set, they seem to be reasonably priced via breakers on eBay. etc

The one thing I want to do is keep it simple. = An engine easy to work on and not too much electronics.

Thanks for your help. Chris
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The diesel would be the better option more powerful, better lugging ability in rough terrain and wont lose power when fed with cheap fuel. Carry spare fuel filters.

BUT you can't simply swap a petrol to diesel without swapping all electrics from the engine donor car. You cannot escape electronics on a modern car. They are integral.

Suspension: Use OEM and carry a spare set. The fancy stuff handles better due to tighter tolerances internally. These wont make a blind bit of difference on bad roads and might even cause the dampers to overheat.

Rear springs are hard on 1.2 two wheel drive. You would be better with a 500 axle and its softer road springs. The 4x4 has it's own subframe but rides softer anyway.

Wheels keep them simple with easy to source tyres. The 13" size is getting rare so better with 14" steels. Buckled steels can be straightened. Buckled/cracked alloys are scrap.

4x4 drive shaft is noted for failing centre bearings. Get that replaced before leaving. Do all four wheel bearings as well.

Exhaust hangers. Fit new rubbers and carry spares.
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I thought the idea of the Mongol rally WAS to break down

don't the rules specify 1.2 or less ?

In my opinion the 4x4 isn't the way to go. Spare will be much harder to come by.


The car is the easy bit. Visas, sponsorship, IDP and so on.
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Thanks that's a great help. I guess i'm committed to a 4x4. It puts less strain on the front. especially if we're running a little heavy. I did have a look at a diesel but you read a lot of issues about poor quality fuel and particulate filter issues. So I'm going for the moment to stick to petrol. Will definitely follow the shockers and centre bearings advice.... Many Thanks
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If the rally is 1.2 litre or less the diesel at 1300 is out of the question. Check with the organisers that the Panda 1200 is acceptable. It's actually 1242cc.

Take some octane booster for the petrol. The engines run OK on 95 RON but much better on 97 or 99 RON. Less than 95 is common around the world and has the thing running very low on power. It's not over-endowed to begin with.

Some say higher octane is pointless - small engine in a small car, etc. I would say the small engine needs all the help it can get.
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Hello, This is my first post so please excuse me if it should be somewhere else!



I've just bought a Panda 4x4 2005 and will be taking it to Mongolia next year. However i want to get to know it a little better before I set out. I'm going to change the suspension as it's the part that will take the biggest hits. Who are the best suppliers for 4x4 suspension / springs etc.



Also I'd really like to have a look at engine options. 1.2 is the maximum but maybe a newer engine and ECU/key/ set, they seem to be reasonably priced via breakers on eBay. etc



The one thing I want to do is keep it simple. = An engine easy to work on and not too much electronics.



Thanks for your help. Chris


Hi Chris, I have considered doing the Mongol Rally in mine, but I actually really love it too much! I am going to make use of the snow capabilities, plus, I donít have A/C so am going to do some northern touring in it first. Scandinavia, Arctic Circle, Iceland...
It is recommended to stick to petrol cars for the trip to Mongolia, as petrol is more readily available in Central Asia.
I would be interested in hearing about the upgrades you decide upon though, particularly suspension etc.
Jon.
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Yes sounds like a nice set of places to go. I've now sold my diesel panda and have a 2005 1.2 petrol engine 4x4 with 95k. started sorting the keys out and got a replacement ECU & BCU and key's locks from eBay which I fitted. Next job is the knackered suspension. a set of B4 bilsteins front and back should help a lot. I'm keeping it standard height. much higher and the roll will not be good. Much lower and we will hit plenty of rocks. I'd like to find a better sump guard so on the Hund for one of those. Have fun on your travels.
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Good morning Chris. Just wondered if you'd seen this thread by a forum member who did the Mongol Rally in a 4x4 Panda? Might give some idea of possible trouble areas along the way. Best wishes for your journey, R
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Re: Mongol Rally 2020

I hope you have an exit plan.

The last thing I read about the Mongol rally, was that country and others along the way are getting really sick of us lot dumping crappy old broken down cars along the way or dumping them once the holiday is over.
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Why not drive there and drive back again?

Aluminium bash plates under engine and another under back subframe make a lot of sense. OEM suspension will keep it's nothing special damping abilities longer than something fancy. The better damping of (such as) Bilsteins is done with tighter tolerances inside the damper units. These give the damping oil a harder time so while they certainly improve the suspension performance, they will go off colour more quickly than standard units.
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I hope you have an exit plan.

The last thing I read about the Mongol rally, was that country and others along the way are getting really sick of us lot dumping crappy old broken down cars along the way or dumping them once the holiday is over.
I'm in love with this little panda already and so it's there and back. ... I fully intend to continue to use it. breakers yard stuff is so cheap, I can't see why it wouldn't got on for ever!!
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