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Old 14-06-2018   #16
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Re: 2018 Panda 4x4 Twin Air

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I remember those! Early 60s? The coupe looked very good in two-tone paint (a neighbour of ours had a pale green one with a white roof). Didn't realise the engine was a 2 pot. It looked like a Renault Caravelle from the front, and a Herald from the back.
Yes - much smoother than the parallel twin of the 500 and a much lower centre of gravity - you could rev the nuts off it - 7000rpm. It would have been around 1967 or 68. The 500-based Steyr Puch was very similar and there were one or two Dyna Panhard-engined 500s as well, with even more poke.
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Hi Folks. The clue is in my "handle". My BMW airheads are all motorbikes. For any bikers out there reading this they are
1979 R100T
1984 R100G/S ( and if you know your bikes you will know BMW never made a 100GstrokeS G/S) (but I know a man who did!)(not to be confused with a R100GS ie no stroke / which BMW made a lot of)
1993 R100R
All are very much modified and very individual
Just done a few more miles in the Panda and I will put down my initial impressions as soon as I stop grinning and find some time
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Re: 2018 Panda 4x4 Twin Air

Do.. check oil level tegularly

DO NOT.. 'baby it'..

My TA is a 2012..and there were a lot of horror stories regarding oil consumption.


I used the 'hard break in method'

From around 2,000 miles of ownership.. I would drive normally.. getting everything up to temp.

Then would use a fair degree of engine breaking.
Just dropping an extra gear lower for a corner.. would see the tacho needle flick round effortlessly.

Mine has now done 36,000 had plenty of oil changes.. but never any evidence of the level dropping.

10,000 miles from new : you could still tell it was freeing off.
So I had several changes by 15,000.

The guy who used a panda TA To break the Capetown to London record ..did a MINERAL OIL break in.. but I wanted my Warranty intact

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Thanks Charlie. I have composed long information about my (brief )experience of my new 4x4 and somehow they disappear into outer space. Either me up the creek or my computer!
Just tried checking my oil level, nearly colourless oil on pale grey dipstick, very difficult to see correct level. Also looking at the top of the stick, the Max and Min marks are NOT where they appear to be given the shape of the stick. I will visit my dealer tomorrow buy some top up oil and ask for a lesson it dipstick interpretation.
Sometime I will have another go at posting some info about my first impressions, provided it is not posted to outer space again!
I'm based in East Kent, and look forward to meeting other Panda People!
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My dipstick is BEIGE.. so I know what you mean.

Please let us know the routine for oil dipping.

Ive had differing experiences...shall we say.
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PS I want to keep my warranty intact too, but it strikes me that "running in" (in inverted commas) on MINERAL OIL actually makes sense, as full synthetic at 0/30 is probably too slippery to "bed in" But what do I know I am so ancient that all the engines I ever messed with required " gradually increase the load on the engine over the first 2000 miles" and " do not let the engine labour or exceed 2500 rpm " and like dire warnings
This is obviously a very different sort of beast
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PS I want to keep my warranty intact too, but it strikes me that "running in" (in inverted commas) on MINERAL OIL actually makes sense, as full synthetic at 0/30 is probably too slippery to "bed in" But what do I know I am so ancient that all the engines I ever messed with required " gradually increase the load on the engine over the first 2000 miles" and " do not let the engine labour or exceed 2500 rpm " and like dire warnings
This is obviously a very different sort of beast
Mmm; I'd check out some of the public domain information on the uni-air module and its very specific oil requirements (there is a link on here that perhaps the moderators can point you at since I don't recall where), Its a .pdf document and I think originated from INA, the designers. This unit controls the inlet valve timing and is the heart & soul of the engine and likes, it seems, the right oil.

I've had a 4x4 TA for two years now (63 plate - second owner) it has just turned 60k miles and has shown no indication of oil consumption but has needed a new Uni-air unit (GBP 900.00) and duel mass flywheel and clutch the latter which was probably exacerbated by much clutch slipping to try and drive he thing on one cylinder (product of failing uni-air module) at the time of a miss diagnosis.


Moral of story; don't skimp on oil grade/spec. I didn't but I bought the thing with bit of a vague service life (at a suitaby reduced price). I did talk to FIAT about the (my) percieved early service failure of this part but they weren't having it so maybe there are a few more out there?


Enjoy the fun but don't cheat on the oil!
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Stick to the specified oil. Like several others, I had the oil changed at 5,000 miles and have it changed at each annual (12-14,000 mile) service, rather than going by mileage. The dipstick was the work of an Italian clothes designer who decided it would be a good idea to match the colour of the oil - dipstick indeed. Having written that, my TA has negligible oil consumption (and very low tyre wear). I'd be interested to hear if diesel 4x4s eat their front tyres - Mrs b_u had a 2wd MJ some years back and went through them very quickly.
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Hi.
I'd agree about the hard break in. A mate of mine bought a brand new Skoda 120LS in 1980 and its second run was to Brighton from Greenock, not at 40 mph but at 80-90 mph on the motorway. On return it went for its first service at around 400 miles, he still drove it hard afterwards and did another oil change around 2000 miles. That 120 was the quickest standard Skoda I've ever driven, it would pick revs so fast and still pull like a train at 6500rpm. I bought it off him when it was two years old and it was fabulous. So yes hard running in can be beneficial so long as the oil is changed a few times more often.
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Hi Colin, expect oil to be more visible after 2000 miles on fresh oil. Suspect mine will go brown before I've done 9000 in this car as not ideal conditions some of the time. To our friend in Devon/Umbria, little confused why all 4 tyres on my 4x4 roughly same depth despite not being permanent 4wd. Yet they last better than FWD Panda 169. My Dad got 24k on a set of fronts. And I know someone who got less but tracking was out.
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The dipstick was the work of an Italian clothes designer who decided it would be a good idea to match the colour of the oil.
This made me laugh a lot!
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My fronts still have at least 3mm all round, after 34k miles. The rears have at least 5mm. At this rate, I reckon the tyres may outlive the car!
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... I'd be interested to hear if diesel 4x4s eat their front tyres
Short answer: no. My fronts (on previous 4x4 MJ, recently sold) easily did 30k miles before I changed them (at 3mm tread). Rears went further but the wear is pretty well balanced front to back. (Why? Don't know - maybe the added rear weight from the 4x4 system compared to FWD ?). Was also very light on brake pad wear - 50k miles on fronts when changed and still not to the 'tell tale'.
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Just posted a long reply to all the above and it finished up in outer space AGAIN. Must be me, hope I don't jinx the car the same way!!!!!
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