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Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

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After driving 70,000 TA miles (2 cars) with an average of 52 mpg, I find the TA's mpg not too bad. OK, the value doesn't come near to what is advertised, but the 5 cars I owned before, all reached about 40 mpg. That is a lot worse. So, for me personally the TA is the king of fuel economy!
Yes. When you compare it to similar machines it's par for the course. We have a 60bhp Citigo which averages mid 50s in all conditions and the Panda TA low 50s but the Panda leaves the Citigo in the weeds - and you don't even have to thrash it to make decent pace - keep in the lower half of the rev range, there's plenty of torque and it is far superior on faster roads. You have to hammer the Citigo to keep up - and I'm pretty sure if you had to drive like that all the time the mpg would be much lower than we're currently getting. So, when you take relative performance into consideration, the TA is noticeably more efficient.
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I just did, I can compare my BMW X3 M Sport to my TwinAir 500 sport everyday... and I love the drive of the Twinair and there is nothing wrong with the comfort for long journeys!



Man have you seen the forum for the Hyundai i10? Its full of people complaining about their i10 awful reliability! Just like the 500 you get loads of people on forums complaining about cars.


https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbyca.../?section=good

Clutch issues with 38 pages - http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...cold-damp.html

Engine starting issues - http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...-problems.html

Oh look MPG complaints - http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...-poor-mpg.html

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...98746-mpg.html

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...-poor-mpg.html

Build quality - http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...d-quality.html

23 pages of general issues and faults - http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...d-any-yet.html
I'm no apologist for Hyundai but most of these seem to refer to the first generation car. Our neighbour had one too and she got rid of it because it used to cut-out for no apparent reason (the garage couldn't diagnose the problem). I think the later i10s have improved quality from what I have seen so far. But yes, on the basis of this, I wouldn't touch a 1st generation i10 with a barge pole!
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Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

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I'm no apologist for Hyundai but most of these seem to refer to the first generation car. Our neighbour had one too and she got rid of it because it used to cut-out for no apparent reason (the garage couldn't diagnose the problem). I think the later i10s have improved quality from what I have seen so far. But yes, on the basis of this, I wouldn't touch a 1st generation i10 with a barge pole!
Well the 1st Gen car was built from 2007/2008 - same as the 500.
My Twinair is on a 63plate, delivered January 2014. So what you are telling me is if I had bought a first generation i10 at this point it would have been a complete disaster and the dealership support for the warranty is very hit and miss - according to all of these posts.

LOL correction - I have family with said car above - 13 plate that has had no end of gearbox issues...
Would I buy a new one... no way!

I couldn't have bought an i10 at the time anyhow - at the end of 2013 I wanted an automatic commute car that I wished to purchase through my limited company - the car had to be the lowest tax band for petrol car emissions, which at the time was less than 94grams of CO2 - This allowed for a complete corporation tax right off of the total money (purchase cost) within the first year. Only the Fiat 500 TwinAir and a Hybrid Toyota Yaris could achieve this. The official emissions of the i10 would have been too high!
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I just did, I can compare my BMW X3 M Sport to my TwinAir 500 sport everyday... and I love the drive of the Twinair and there is nothing wrong with the comfort for long journeys!


Man have you seen the forum for the Hyundai i10? Its full of people complaining about their i10 awful reliability! Just like the 500 you get loads of people on forums complaining about cars.


https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbyca.../?section=good

Clutch issues with 38 pages - http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...cold-damp.html

Engine starting issues - http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...-problems.html

Oh look MPG complaints - http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...-poor-mpg.html

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...98746-mpg.html

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...-poor-mpg.html

Build quality - http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...d-quality.html

23 pages of general issues and faults - http://www.hyundai-forums.com/i10-1s...d-any-yet.html
Look, I get it, you're not exactly enthralled that someone, even a former owner has an opinion on the not so great aspects of Fiat 500 ownership. Personally, I think the points I've put across are very valid. The reason I still have an active interest and contribute to this forum, is because I still drive 500's on a frequent basis and I think I might occasionally have something useful to offer. In fairness to anyone viewing the site, you ought really to be able to discuss the good from the bad. Continually trying to put across a view with rose tinted glasses, does no potential owner any favours.

As for the knockout links you've supplied, well, rather conveniently, you appear to have just chosen to hightlight the first generation model i10. As has subsequently been pointed out, there are in fact two forums dedicated to the Hyundai i10 because the 2nd Generation model has its own forum. You also failed to notice during your obvious 'research' that you'll see my avatar frequently there because I used to be a Moderator on the site and it was I that initiated the splitting of the two i10 models so that owners and those interested in a potential purchase, could easily differentiate between the two models, which I can assure you, are very different. The two models even look different. The 500, the shape hasn't significantly changed since it was introduced and some of the issues it frequently suffers, have just carried on throughout its life.

I'm not even going to dispute that the 2nd Gen i10 isn't without its issues, though apart from a clutch cable adjustment on our own car, we've had no other issues whatsoever with our 1.2. All I've ever done is state that although we enjoyed ownership of our previous 2 500's, neither were without issues, issues which in fairness, should never have arisen in my view. For the price Fiat charge for them new, they should be far better put together than they are.

As for the comfort factor on long commutes, I'm sorry, but our views on this will remain miles apart. You're trying to make a comfort case for a vehicle that is just not built to be anywhere near the same comfort package as a car much more suited to long journeys. I don't dispute the car is fun to drive, but certainly with the TA, it was far too noisy for me to consider as anything other than a city commute vehicle.
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Look, I get it, you're not exactly enthralled that someone, even a former owner has an opinion on the not so great aspects of Fiat 500 ownership. which I can assure you, are very different.
I just wished to make the point that ALL cars have their issues - but now you mention it, perhaps you weren't enthralled by me point out that Hyundai is really no different or better than Fiat. The only manufacturer I have ever had total reliability and low running costs in the low cost of dealer services was Toyota!

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As for the comfort factor on long commutes, I'm sorry, but our views on this will remain miles apart. You're trying to make a comfort case for a vehicle that is just not built to be anywhere near the same comfort package as a car much more suited to long journeys.
I think that depends on how much you spend on the model - the pop/lounge/sport seats are all different.

For me, buying a TwinAir was a means to an end. I was looking for an effective tax right off of a company car and 3 1/2 years on love the style and performance of this little machine, we have kept it. The car has been reliable and we have spent probably a 1000 this year on shocks, top mounts and front discs etc to keep it in good condition. I didn't purchase a 10K Asian box with the idea that I would never spend money on it again. We purchased a 17.5K Italian car that needs some love and money thrown at it from time to time.
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I just wished to make the point that ALL cars have their issues - but now you mention it, perhaps you weren't enthralled by me point out that Hyundai is really no different or better than Fiat. The only manufacturer I have ever had total reliability and low running costs in the low cost of dealer services was Toyota!

I think that depends on how much you spend on the model - the pop/lounge/sport seats are all different.
Fair play to you for your dogged persistence in defence of the 500. Not enthralled about criticism of the i10? Lol, I couldn't care less, criticise away! You are absolutely right, all cars have their faults, I'm also a Saab 9-3 owner and you should see the lengths I have to go to to ensure a smooth running vehicle, especially the 1.9 diesel model, which for the uninitiated, is powered by a FIAT diesel engine!

As it happens, the running costs for both of our 500's were low, everything that ever went wrong with them, was fixed by Fiat under warranty! I'm merely pointing out that I haven't suffered any issues thus far with our i10 and the 349 3 year service plan was particularly good value in my opinion. As for the warranty aspect, well yes, the Hyundai may well have a 5 year warranty, but as with most vehicle manufacturer warranties, you must stay within their rules, or they will find a way of wriggling out of them.

Don't ever forget, opinions are like the hole in ones butt, everyone has one!
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......I didn't purchase a 10K Asian box with the idea that I would never spend money on it again. We purchased a 17.5K Italian car that needs some love and money thrown at it from time to time.


17.5k for a Fiat 500?......blinking 'eck!

Our first 1.2 POP cost us 7.5k cash, though we had a PX car which we were given 3k for. The POP was 4 months old, ex Fiat fleet, 825 miles on the clock, a considerable discount for an almost new car.

The TA, after trade in using the 1.2 POP, 4.5K. Price prior to PX, 10400 if I remember correctly, pre-reg, though we subsequently found out, that our 'new' car, was in fact already almost 14 months old when we did the deal. Hence the rather large discount.

The 1.2 i10 Hyundai Premium we now own, total price brand new after discount, about 10700 which included a 1200 discount because we were entitled to a public service discount on their Affinity Scheme. In any case, after PX'ing the TA, we ended up forking out about 4.5k in cash to drive the car home.

Rather coincidentally, all three cars we have bought for the wife, we've only had to fork out 4.5k in actual cash for a new car to drive away such ws the equity we had on PX's on the two 500's.

Each to their own, but there's no way on this planet that I'd spend the sort of money you have on such a small car, as nice looking as it is!

I'm pleased you're enjoying your classy Italian machine, but let us not forget, there's a reason for the acronym 'Fix It Again Tomorrow'
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17.5k for a Fiat 500?......blinking 'eck!
It was a TwinAir Sport with the autobox and then every single option available except the sunroof.
The more that was spent, the less corporation tax was paid (20% of the purchase etc).

We liked it so much in the end, we bought a second 500 convertible as a fun car to use occasionally.

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I'm pleased you're enjoying your classy Italian machine, but let us not forget, there's a reason for the acronym 'Fix It Again Tomorrow'
LOL my father in law used to work as a mechanic for Fiat in the 80s and says they had a poor reputation! They have two Hyundai a i10 and i20 lol
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LOL my father in law used to work as a mechanic for Fiat in the 80s and says they had a poor reputation! They have two Hyundai an i10 and i20 lol
AT LAST!!! You've completely vindicated me in all the above posts! You and I are going to see eye to eye on a lot more in the future!!
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