500 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

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500 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Let's be fair here, your M-i-Law's i10 is probably the first generation i10 model as it is a 13 plate (the 2nd Gen came out on a 14 plate), and yes that particular model is a boring car. It has an awful, boxy type shape apparently favoured by customers in the Far East. The newer model is far more asthetically pleasing.

Yes this is true, the car is very boxy and slow


I would never personally have an autobox on any car anyway, what's the point of paying the extra tax? unless of course you have loads of money

I really like the Twinair Auto and it is on paper more fuel efficient than the manuel. Our X3 is also a manual and in hindsight we should have bought an auto

Whilst the i10 is not so cutsey looking, the Fiat 500 is beaten hands down on the reliability stakes by the latest generation i10 and many other leading manufacturers. I can also, in my opinion, state the i10 is a far more comfortable car to drive over longer distances.

3 years isn't really long enough to see a cars long term reliability. It took 4-6 years for BMW X3 owners to discover that the turbos fail due to 18000mile oil changes and long life oil. I suppose I have never driven an i10 across Europe, but I quite like the comfort of the leather seats in our sports model 500.

To be fair, you cannot defend the indefensible, the 500 door handle issue is utterly, incredibly poor by any manufacturer standards. You are one of the lucky ones in relation to your door handles remaining intact. An untold number of door handles sold by dealers is testament to a poor design. At least ours were under warranty when they inexplicably broke off, many other owners aren't so lucky and have to pay to have them replaced.

I am being realistic! The latest issue I have is the front parking sensors falling out of the front bumper on my BMW X3 - they are stuck in with double sided tape and cost many more times the cost of a Fiat door handle!
 
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TwinAir fuel efficiency is nothing to write home about. Our former 0.9 TA, was no better on fuel consumption than our current 1.2 i10, and that averages around 48mpg. Many TA owners, unless you're driving like an utter snail with perfect braking and gear changing, have complained that the real world mpg figures are absolutely no where near the manufacturer 'in house' test figures. I also thought that auto boxes were generally less fuel efficient? hence why they attract a higher tax bracket? I once drove 360 miles in an autobox Vauxhall Corsa, it was utterly horrendous and the fuel consumption wasn't great at all!

I've driven a TwinAir a maximum of 235 miles here in the UK, just over four hours, and at the end of the journey, I was absolutely knackered. Bear in mind, I would do that same journey normally, in a very comfortable Saab 9-3 and arrive after a 4 or 5 hour journey considerably more relaxed than having done the journey in a car as small as the 500.

The TA, indeed all of the 500 models, for me, would only ever be a city car with the occasional longer journey. I genuinely don't know how owners can use the 500 as a long distance commuting vehicle, but everyone has their own opinion. We don't even use our i10 for long journeys, it's primary number one use, is the wife's 10 mile each way commute to work with the odd 40 miler thrown in. That being said, we were in South Africa recently and hired an identical i10 model to our own at home. It was actually nice to drive over reasonable distances of a couple of hundred miles, unlike the TA!

I think the key to any longevity of any vehicle, is regular servicing. If one is intent on using a vehicle, any vehicle as a commuting tool, then I'd personally go for more frequent oil and filter changes. Unfortunately, the TA is fitted with a rather expensive oil filter which then requires a reset in the ECU using diagnostic gear, a total utter faff in my opinion. I'd also agree about fitting much better plugs than the factory fit plugs.
 
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I bought a new 500 TA by Diesel in April 2011.

I sold it in April 2017 with 99,000 miles on it.

It was regularly serviced.

It was also thrashed regularly (only once warm), bounced off many things (including a sheep) and was still going strong when sold.

It needed, tyres (many), one door handle pin, front top mounts twice (was running a Bilstein B14 kit), brakes replaced once but nothing else broke/fell off/ failed due to manufacturing issues.

I'd have another if it wasn't for my step daughter now being over 5 foot 6 tall.

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I take it this is due to back seat head room?.......

One thing you can't argue about is head room in the front. My own wife is 6 feet tall and I'm 6'2 and neither of us had any issues with headroom. ;)

More a case of having to fold her in half to get her through into the back seats, she's only just 12.

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Our former 0.9 TA, was no better on fuel consumption than our current 1.2 i10, and that averages around 48mpg.
Well, that proves that the TA is more efficient than the Hyundai, since with the TA you will accelerate much quicker.

I've driven a TwinAir a maximum of 235 miles here in the UK, just over four hours, and at the end of the journey, I was absolutely knackered.
You need to spend some time on properly adjusting the seat and the steering wheel. If you skip that, then don't blame the car, but blame yourself.

Unfortunately, the TA is fitted with a rather expensive oil filter which then requires a reset in the ECU using diagnostic gear, a total utter faff in my opinion.
The oil filter change doesn't require any reset, but the oil change does. That isn't strange at all. The old oil may have been deteriorated considerably. Therefore you have to tell the ECU that it has to relearn the optimal settings for the multiair units after the oil change. That is what you do with that reset.
 
Well, that proves that the TA is more efficient than the Hyundai, since with the TA you will accelerate much quicker.

You need to spend some time on properly adjusting the seat and the steering wheel. If you skip that, then don't blame the car, but blame yourself.

The oil filter change doesn't require any reset, but the oil change does. That isn't strange at all. The old oil may have been deteriorated considerably. Therefore you have to tell the ECU that it has to relearn the optimal settings for the multiair units after the oil change. That is what you do with that reset.

You are of course perfectly entitled to make the case for the TA as much as you wish, this is after all, a Fiat 500 forum!

That being said, sorry, the advertised mpg for the 0.9 TA is absolute guff!

As for mucking about adjusting the seat. Where did I mention anywhere about altering the seating and steering wheel position? I'm talking about the overall experience of driving the TA over a reasonably long distance. It isn't a large family or executive saloon. It doesn't have anywhere near the same comfort factor. It's primarily a city car. If you find the car comfortable to drive over very long distances, you haven't driven something like a Jag XF, whereby you can arrive at the end of the journey considerably more refreshed than hauling one's backside out of something as tiny and tinny as a 500. Harsh, but true!

Ok, accepted about the oil change reset thing, but to be fair, you're being pedantic. You know what I was trying to get across. Just because I wasn't being completely technically correct, doesn't alter the fact that the oil degradation thingy me jig, still needs a reset using diagnostic equipment.

The TA engine is a great little unit and I liked ours when we had it, but neither the wife nor I would ever have used the car as a long distance commuting vehicle.
 
That being said, sorry, the advertised mpg for the 0.9 TA is absolute guff!
I don't know how it is in the UK, but in my country the advertised fuel economy figures are always accompanied by a disclaimer saying that the figures are the result of the mandatory test cycle that is part of the legislation. Advertising any other figures than these is simly forbidden, even if these would be more realistic. Therefore, if you want to blame someone for unrealistic advertised mpg of the TA, then blame the politicians in Brusseles who are responsible for the unrealistic test cycle.

If you find the car comfortable to drive over very long distances, you haven't driven something like a Jag XF
I'm sorry, I can't afford a Jaguar. However, if you adjust the seat and steering wheel properly, then you must be able to sit as comfortable as on the couch in your living room. How long can you sit on that couch?
 
I don't know how it is in the UK, but in my country the advertised fuel economy figures are always accompanied by a disclaimer saying that the figures are the result of the mandatory test cycle that is part of the legislation. Advertising any other figures than these is simly forbidden, even if these would be more realistic. Therefore, if you want to blame someone for unrealistic advertised mpg of the TA, then blame the politicians in Brusseles who are responsible for the unrealistic test cycle.

I'm sorry, I can't afford a Jaguar. However, if you adjust the seat and steering wheel properly, then you must be able to sit as comfortable as on the couch in your living room. How long can you sit on that couch?

In the UK, some of us do blame the politicians in Brussels for many things, hence BREXIT.....:p

As for the Jag XF, neither can I afford to own one, but my normal day job is driving everything from luxury cars to small cars, such as the 500. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the 500 seating. In absolutely no way can a 500 seat be compared to sitting on a couch or the fine seats of a luxury saloon for hours on end.

Look, I don't dislike the 500, and in any other circumstances, we'd still own one, but having had two from quite literally brand new, I know they cannot be compared to anything other than what they are, a small city car with cutesey looks. In my own opinion, they are not a long distance commuter vehicle.
 
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Just to steer things slightly back on track, the OP has covered 36,000 miles in their 500 so they have probably decided by now whether the seats suit them. It can be a personal thing. I find most car seats ok, and certainly had no problems during the odd 2-3 hour journey in our 500. My wife gets uncomfortable after an hour or so in any car we've had. Not splashed out on a Jag yet though, maybe one day!
 
As=TrevC;4296723]Just to steer things slightly back on track, the OP has covered 36,000 miles in their 500 so they have probably decided by now whether the seats suit them. It can be a personal thing. I find most car seats ok, and certainly had no problems during the odd 2-3 hour journey in our 500. My wife gets uncomfortable after an hour or so in any car we've had. Not splashed out on a Jag yet though, maybe one day![/QUOTE]



Thank you TrevC! Yes, thanks for all the feedback. First of all, the 500 was a present for my wife 5 years ago. This was before marriage and children, circumstances change but we decided to keep the car and,after relocating, it’s purpose has changed, hence the greater mileage it will now be covering.

Our other car is a Volvo V90, as you would expect, far superior on a long journey, but thankfully I don’t have to take the children to work. The 500 is used by both my wife and I for work, 6 days a week. It’s got a hard life now, and whilst they are city cars, I cover by far the most motorway miles between us and it’s fine flying along at 80-90. I love driving that car!

I think a lot of us on this forum are on here and have a FIAT in the first place, because we love the fact that a small, inexpensive machine, is capable of almost everything something much bigger and more expensive is capable of. They can be little hero cars.

Also, I’ve never had a problem with the seats!
 
TwinAir fuel efficiency is nothing to write home about. Our former 0.9 TA, was no better on fuel consumption than our current 1.2 i10, and that averages around 48mpg. The real world mpg figures are absolutely no where near the manufacturer 'in house' test figures. I also thought that auto boxes were generally less fuel efficient? hence why they attract a higher tax bracket?

The real world figures for most cars are nowhere near the manufacturers test figures. I am very happy with the 52mpg average I get from mine and I find 55mpg is fairly easy to achieve.
Many modern autoboxes are actually more fuel efficient and the automatic twinair has a slight lower CO2 rating than the manual version.

I've driven a TwinAir a maximum of 235 miles here in the UK, just over four hours, and at the end of the journey, I was absolutely knackered.

I have driven all of our cars regularly across Europe - both the TwinAir and the BMW X3 have done Valencia to London (1250miles) in a day. Perfectly comfortable, the only thing I can say about the BMW is that it can achieve license endangering speeds (180-200kph) with ease and thus the total journey time was 2hours shorter.

The TA, indeed all of the 500 models, for me, would only ever be a city car with the occasional longer journey. I genuinely don't know how owners can use the 500 as a long distance commuting vehicle, but everyone has their own opinion.

I think you will find there are quite a few on this forum that do.
I bought mine as a corporation tax break (less than 93grams of CO2) for a commute of a 100miles a day and I find it way more fun than the larger SUVs that we have owned.

In absolutely no way can a 500 seat be compared to sitting on a couch or the fine seats of a luxury saloon for hours on end.

I suppose that depends on how much you spent on your 500? Both my Fiat and BMW have leather seats, both are sports trim models with side supports and height adjustment. The SUV has heated seats in the winter... but I don't have much call for it here!
 
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Recently did a 500 mile round trip in my TA S, no issues with seats or comfort and I’ve a dodgy back, the S seats are nicely bolstered, overall mpg for the trip was 58 including some rather ‘progressive’ motorway speeds! I’ve achieved 61 on the same trip without major effort, aerodynamics and headwind are definitely your enemy on long journeys.
 
We only get 44mpg from our TA [emoji15]

Please don't admit that on this forum lol! You'll have other forum members claiming you're not driving your vehicle correctly. :p

Look, I accept different owners have different experiences, but it's a bit over the top to try and compare the overall driving experience and comfort of a 500 in any way as similar or more suited to long distance or business type travel than a vehicle designed for such purposes. If any of you don't believe me, go and hire yourself a Jaguar XF, or an executive top end Audi, do a 300 or 500 mile journey and tell me the 500 is still a great drive? The 500 is perfect for what it was primarily designed for, city driving.

As for reliability, well I'm not sorry for pointing it out, but you've only got to look at the pages of threads on this very forum of people moaning about things going wrong with their vehicles. Trying to big the 500 up in so called reliability index scores whose data may not be entirely reliable in the first place, is just clutching at straws in my opinion. I spend a lot of time at vehicle auction houses and drive enough 500's that have been got rid of for various reasons, some whose problems are quite noticeable when you drive them onto the auction stand. EML lights flashing, DPF's blocked and my personal favourite, missing door handles! Some of these vehicles are only 2 or 3 years old.

The fact is, I've owned two of these vehicles, both a 1.2 and a TA, and whilst I enjoyed certain aspects of their ownership, they were by no means perfect and quite frankly, the TA's mpg was poor in my opinion.
 
Recently did a 500 mile round trip in my TA S, no issues with seats or comfort and I’ve a dodgy back, the S seats are nicely bolstered, overall mpg for the trip was 58 including some rather ‘progressive’ motorway speeds! I’ve achieved 61 on the same trip without major effort, aerodynamics and headwind are definitely your enemy on long journeys.
We've noticed similarly good economy on longer runs. It seems to be much better on the open road and on longer journeys. Around town I average between 45 - 50mpg which seems to be more typical of other figures I've seen on here.
 
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We've noticed similarly good economy on longer runs. It seems to be much better on the open road and on longer journeys. Around town I average between 45 - 50mpg which seems to be more typical of other figures I've seen around here.

I couldn't agree more. Your experience of TA mpg pretty much matches my own previous experience. My wife regularly achieved 48mpg on her commute to work. I think the most we ever managed out of the 0.9 TA, was the first ever journey we ever did in the car when we picked it up, almost 60mpg, but we were low on fuel and driving at a max of 56mph the whole of the 150 mile + journey back from the dealership. We never achieved that figure again during real time journeys.
 
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