Register Login
Shop4Parts - UK's largest online superstore for FIAT and Alfa Romeo parts
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 1 Week Ago   #16
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Berkshire, UK
Posts: 822
Thanks: 51
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Not as good as some, but comfortably above average at 78 (average is 100), and better than the Mini, for instance. As a manufacturer, Fiat are in the top half, which may surprise some.
Likes JCarp16 liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

TrevC is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #17
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,304
Thanks: 129
Trader Rating: 0
frupi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

And the Hyundai i10 2nd Gen 2014 on, scores a ten on the reliability index.

I of course have to plug the i10 as it replaced our 500 TA. Thus far, over 2 years into ownership, not a single issue with the car save a clutch cable adjustment. A stark contrast to both 500's we owned, both having several warranty fixes. We took the 349 3 year service plan option with the i10 and other than fuel and one punctured beyond repair tyre, the car has been far more reliable than either 500 we owned.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

frupi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #18
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 162
Thanks: 15
Trader Rating: 0
p6baseunit has donated!
p6baseunit is an honorary friend of the forum :)
Spain 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
And the Hyundai i10 2nd Gen 2014 on, scores a ten on the reliability index.

I of course have to plug the i10 as it replaced our 500 TA. Thus far, over 2 years into ownership, not a single issue with the car save a clutch cable adjustment. A stark contrast to both 500's we owned, both having several warranty fixes. We took the 349 3 year service plan option with the i10 and other than fuel and one punctured beyond repair tyre, the car has been far more reliable than either 500 we owned.
Mother in law has an i10 on a 13 plate.. Damn boring to drive and its been back to the dealer three times with autobox issues. Their 12 plate i20 is better, but does no better than 35mpg. Think I will stick with a TwinAir!

The door handle hinge is a straight forward enough fix, although neither of our 500s have needed one in 3 1/2 years
Likes JCarp16 liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

p6baseunit is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #19
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,304
Thanks: 129
Trader Rating: 0
frupi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Quote Originally Posted by p6baseunit View Post
Mother in law has an i10 on a 13 plate.. Damn boring to drive and its been back to the dealer three times with autobox issues. Their 12 plate i20 is better, but does no better than 35mpg. Think I will stick with a TwinAir!

The door handle hinge is a straight forward enough fix, although neither of our 500s have needed one in 3 1/2 years
Let's be fair here, your M-i-Law's i10 is probably the first generation i10 model as it is a 13 plate (the 2nd Gen came out on a 14 plate), and yes that particular model is a boring car. It has an awful, boxy type shape apparently favoured by customers in the Far East. The newer model is far more asthetically pleasing.

I would never personally have an autobox on any car anyway, what's the point of paying the extra tax? unless of course you have loads of money or are genuinely unable to drive a manual vehicle. Even in city traffic, I'd plumb for manual every day.

Whilst the i10 is not so cutsey looking, the Fiat 500 is beaten hands down on the reliability stakes by the latest generation i10 and many other leading manufacturers. I can also, in my opinion, state the i10 is a far more comfortable car to drive over longer distances.

To be fair, you cannot defend the indefensible, the 500 door handle issue is utterly, incredibly poor by any manufacturer standards. You are one of the lucky ones in relation to your door handles remaining intact. An untold number of door handles sold by dealers is testament to a poor design. At least ours were under warranty when they inexplicably broke off, many other owners aren't so lucky and have to pay to have them replaced.

Anyway, we've veered off topic......
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

frupi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #20
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Berkshire, UK
Posts: 822
Thanks: 51
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

The i10 is bound to be a reliable car - Hyundai couldn't afford a 5 year warranty if it wasn't. We all decide on our car purchases with our own set of criteria, and a good or bad experience will influence this.
Apart from a minor leak from a coolant hose, my 500 was totally fault free for the 6 years and 45000 miles I owned it, with no problems arising in the TA engine, which is the OP's main concern. How it will fare after 100,000 miles or more, who knows, but adopting the sensible servicing practices mentioned above will help improve its chances. By that time it will be worth buttons anyway, so not worth spending much money on a major repair.
Likes JCarp16 liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

TrevC is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #21
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 162
Thanks: 15
Trader Rating: 0
p6baseunit has donated!
p6baseunit is an honorary friend of the forum :)
Spain 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
Let's be fair here, your M-i-Law's i10 is probably the first generation i10 model as it is a 13 plate (the 2nd Gen came out on a 14 plate), and yes that particular model is a boring car. It has an awful, boxy type shape apparently favoured by customers in the Far East. The newer model is far more asthetically pleasing.
Yes this is true, the car is very boxy and slow


Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
I would never personally have an autobox on any car anyway, what's the point of paying the extra tax? unless of course you have loads of money
I really like the Twinair Auto and it is on paper more fuel efficient than the manuel. Our X3 is also a manual and in hindsight we should have bought an auto

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
Whilst the i10 is not so cutsey looking, the Fiat 500 is beaten hands down on the reliability stakes by the latest generation i10 and many other leading manufacturers. I can also, in my opinion, state the i10 is a far more comfortable car to drive over longer distances.
3 years isn't really long enough to see a cars long term reliability. It took 4-6 years for BMW X3 owners to discover that the turbos fail due to 18000mile oil changes and long life oil. I suppose I have never driven an i10 across Europe, but I quite like the comfort of the leather seats in our sports model 500.

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
To be fair, you cannot defend the indefensible, the 500 door handle issue is utterly, incredibly poor by any manufacturer standards. You are one of the lucky ones in relation to your door handles remaining intact. An untold number of door handles sold by dealers is testament to a poor design. At least ours were under warranty when they inexplicably broke off, many other owners aren't so lucky and have to pay to have them replaced.
I am being realistic! The latest issue I have is the front parking sensors falling out of the front bumper on my BMW X3 - they are stuck in with double sided tape and cost many more times the cost of a Fiat door handle!
Likes JCarp16 liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides


Last edited by p6baseunit; 1 Week Ago at 22:51.
p6baseunit is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #22
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,304
Thanks: 129
Trader Rating: 0
frupi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

TwinAir fuel efficiency is nothing to write home about. Our former 0.9 TA, was no better on fuel consumption than our current 1.2 i10, and that averages around 48mpg. Many TA owners, unless you're driving like an utter snail with perfect braking and gear changing, have complained that the real world mpg figures are absolutely no where near the manufacturer 'in house' test figures. I also thought that auto boxes were generally less fuel efficient? hence why they attract a higher tax bracket? I once drove 360 miles in an autobox Vauxhall Corsa, it was utterly horrendous and the fuel consumption wasn't great at all!

I've driven a TwinAir a maximum of 235 miles here in the UK, just over four hours, and at the end of the journey, I was absolutely knackered. Bear in mind, I would do that same journey normally, in a very comfortable Saab 9-3 and arrive after a 4 or 5 hour journey considerably more relaxed than having done the journey in a car as small as the 500.

The TA, indeed all of the 500 models, for me, would only ever be a city car with the occasional longer journey. I genuinely don't know how owners can use the 500 as a long distance commuting vehicle, but everyone has their own opinion. We don't even use our i10 for long journeys, it's primary number one use, is the wife's 10 mile each way commute to work with the odd 40 miler thrown in. That being said, we were in South Africa recently and hired an identical i10 model to our own at home. It was actually nice to drive over reasonable distances of a couple of hundred miles, unlike the TA!

I think the key to any longevity of any vehicle, is regular servicing. If one is intent on using a vehicle, any vehicle as a commuting tool, then I'd personally go for more frequent oil and filter changes. Unfortunately, the TA is fitted with a rather expensive oil filter which then requires a reset in the ECU using diagnostic gear, a total utter faff in my opinion. I'd also agree about fitting much better plugs than the factory fit plugs.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides


Last edited by frupi; 1 Week Ago at 10:57.
frupi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #23
Autotest Special
 
rallycinq's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Glasgow...ish
Posts: 22,630
Thanks: 1122
Blog Entries: 3
Trader Rating: 1
rallycinq has donated!
British Indian Ocean Territories 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

I bought a new 500 TA by Diesel in April 2011.

I sold it in April 2017 with 99,000 miles on it.

It was regularly serviced.

It was also thrashed regularly (only once warm), bounced off many things (including a sheep) and was still going strong when sold.

It needed, tyres (many), one door handle pin, front top mounts twice (was running a Bilstein B14 kit), brakes replaced once but nothing else broke/fell off/ failed due to manufacturing issues.

I'd have another if it wasn't for my step daughter now being over 5 foot 6 tall.

D
Likes JCarp16 liked this post
__________________
rallycinq is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #24
Autotest Special
 
rallycinq's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Glasgow...ish
Posts: 22,630
Thanks: 1122
Blog Entries: 3
Trader Rating: 1
rallycinq has donated!
British Indian Ocean Territories 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
I'd also agree about fitting much better plugs than the factory fit plugs.
I think the Ferrari F1 team would agree too.

D
Likes JCarp16 liked this post
__________________
rallycinq is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #25
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,304
Thanks: 129
Trader Rating: 0
frupi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Quote Originally Posted by rallycinq View Post
....I'd have another if it wasn't for my step daughter now being over 5 foot 6 tall...D
I take it this is due to back seat head room?.......

One thing you can't argue about is head room in the front. My own wife is 6 feet tall and I'm 6'2 and neither of us had any issues with headroom.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

frupi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #26
Autotest Special
 
rallycinq's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Glasgow...ish
Posts: 22,630
Thanks: 1122
Blog Entries: 3
Trader Rating: 1
rallycinq has donated!
British Indian Ocean Territories 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
I take it this is due to back seat head room?.......

One thing you can't argue about is head room in the front. My own wife is 6 feet tall and I'm 6'2 and neither of us had any issues with headroom.
More a case of having to fold her in half to get her through into the back seats, she's only just 12.

D
Likes frupi liked this post
__________________
rallycinq is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #27
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,304
Thanks: 129
Trader Rating: 0
frupi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

I've sat in the back seat of both our old 500's and it was not a pleasant experience! At least with our i10, it has four doors and you can open the windows!
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

frupi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #28
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 529
Thanks: 32
Trader Rating: 0
Netherlands 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
Our former 0.9 TA, was no better on fuel consumption than our current 1.2 i10, and that averages around 48mpg.
Well, that proves that the TA is more efficient than the Hyundai, since with the TA you will accelerate much quicker.

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
I've driven a TwinAir a maximum of 235 miles here in the UK, just over four hours, and at the end of the journey, I was absolutely knackered.
You need to spend some time on properly adjusting the seat and the steering wheel. If you skip that, then don't blame the car, but blame yourself.

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
Unfortunately, the TA is fitted with a rather expensive oil filter which then requires a reset in the ECU using diagnostic gear, a total utter faff in my opinion.
The oil filter change doesn't require any reset, but the oil change does. That isn't strange at all. The old oil may have been deteriorated considerably. Therefore you have to tell the ECU that it has to relearn the optimal settings for the multiair units after the oil change. That is what you do with that reset.
__________________
If I write something stupid, it's probably because English isn't my native language!
AGH1965 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #29
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,304
Thanks: 129
Trader Rating: 0
frupi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Quote Originally Posted by AGH1965 View Post
Well, that proves that the TA is more efficient than the Hyundai, since with the TA you will accelerate much quicker.

You need to spend some time on properly adjusting the seat and the steering wheel. If you skip that, then don't blame the car, but blame yourself.

The oil filter change doesn't require any reset, but the oil change does. That isn't strange at all. The old oil may have been deteriorated considerably. Therefore you have to tell the ECU that it has to relearn the optimal settings for the multiair units after the oil change. That is what you do with that reset.
You are of course perfectly entitled to make the case for the TA as much as you wish, this is after all, a Fiat 500 forum!

That being said, sorry, the advertised mpg for the 0.9 TA is absolute guff!

As for mucking about adjusting the seat. Where did I mention anywhere about altering the seating and steering wheel position? I'm talking about the overall experience of driving the TA over a reasonably long distance. It isn't a large family or executive saloon. It doesn't have anywhere near the same comfort factor. It's primarily a city car. If you find the car comfortable to drive over very long distances, you haven't driven something like a Jag XF, whereby you can arrive at the end of the journey considerably more refreshed than hauling one's backside out of something as tiny and tinny as a 500. Harsh, but true!

Ok, accepted about the oil change reset thing, but to be fair, you're being pedantic. You know what I was trying to get across. Just because I wasn't being completely technically correct, doesn't alter the fact that the oil degradation thingy me jig, still needs a reset using diagnostic equipment.

The TA engine is a great little unit and I liked ours when we had it, but neither the wife nor I would ever have used the car as a long distance commuting vehicle.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

frupi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 1 Week Ago   #30
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 529
Thanks: 32
Trader Rating: 0
Netherlands 
Re: 500 Twin Air doing lots of miles

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
That being said, sorry, the advertised mpg for the 0.9 TA is absolute guff!
I don't know how it is in the UK, but in my country the advertised fuel economy figures are always accompanied by a disclaimer saying that the figures are the result of the mandatory test cycle that is part of the legislation. Advertising any other figures than these is simly forbidden, even if these would be more realistic. Therefore, if you want to blame someone for unrealistic advertised mpg of the TA, then blame the politicians in Brusseles who are responsible for the unrealistic test cycle.

Quote Originally Posted by frupi View Post
If you find the car comfortable to drive over very long distances, you haven't driven something like a Jag XF
I'm sorry, I can't afford a Jaguar. However, if you adjust the seat and steering wheel properly, then you must be able to sit as comfortable as on the couch in your living room. How long can you sit on that couch?
Likes JCarp16 liked this post
__________________
If I write something stupid, it's probably because English isn't my native language!
AGH1965 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Reply
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Panda 2012+ 4x4 Twin Air 2013 only 3.6k miles Al D Auction Watch 8 16-09-2016 21:49
500 500 twin air Rich500TwinPlus Newbie Central 8 14-01-2013 13:44
(G) New fiat 500 twin air break down after 70 miles waza 500 25 24-04-2012 22:06