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Old 05-02-2013   #16
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Re: Twin Air shocking mpg

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Careful driving is the key as others have said.
My 500 twin air can get 65 mpg quite easily at the speeds suggested on the motorway. I'd say that a punto would be a better shape aerodynamically so can't see why you couldn't do the same?

My average is currently 47mpg as you can see below. It was better in the warmer months by about 15%.

with the 500's at least ,the 1.2 is more economical, and the 1.4 is worse. Twin air sits between both mpg wise, but has the advantage of near 1.4 performance with near 1.2 economy dependingon how you drive it.
thanks for that.. pretty much the figures I was expecting !.. out of interest,

How many miles on your car now?, and how many oil changes..??,
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Re: Twin Air shocking mpg

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thanks for that.. pretty much the figures I was expecting !.. out of interest,

How many miles on your car now?, and how many oil changes..??,
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My 500 is at exactly 9750 miles. Not yet had an oil change, it was 1st registered April 24th 2012
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My 500 is at exactly 9750 miles. Not yet had an oil change, it was 1st registered April 24th 2012

OK,
thanks for that,
that also answers a query I had about whether you get a free "oil-change service" after a few thousand miles.. not sure I would want all the "assembly debris" floating around my engine for potentially 18,000 miles,

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Re: Twin Air shocking mpg

Quite a few people with the twin air have changed their oil early for the same reasons you've given. There is no free service at 1000 miles or whatever like days of old.
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Re: Twin Air shocking mpg

Like i've said in other threads, the MPG is not what they stated. My Punto TA is currently getting 36 MPG in these cold coditions. What I will say is that I drive Urban roads with the start-stop, slow moving, and hill starts.. that cripples my MPG.

On a quiet evening on a 30mph road I can easily get 55MPG on the trip computer, but to get this as an average requires luck and forward planning.

I think everyone here would be interested in seeing what Fiat do. I was told once my engine "breaks in" I would see an increase, granted its only at 1300 miles, but from what I've heard the next 5000 miles won't make a difference.

Do you know in your dealings with Trading Standards whether there is a % they can be out? As on Motorways I'm almost 3 times less the MPG they stated.

(That said, still love my car )
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Re: Twin Air shocking mpg

In the 500, the 1.2 is the engine of choice if your main priority is economy and you are prepared to drive accordingly. Averaged over 3yrs / 20000 miles, mine has managed a shade over 60mpg but you will need to keep the speed below 55mph at all times to get close to this.

Most TA owners on the 500 forum are averaging figures in the low 40's, so in a heavier Punto, 38-40mpg would be in line with my expectations if you drive normally at or close to UK speed limits.

I'd agree the official figures are not typical of most folks experience; a quick check on fuelly shows that average real-world TA economy figures are no better than the 1.2. IMO, anyone paying a premium for the TA engine over the 1.2 in the expectation of better economy could justifiably claim to have been misled.
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Re: Twin Air shocking mpg

Urban rush hour traffic kills the ta economy, this is not the same conditions that the urban mpg figures are gathered from.

I've heard of people taking on fiat before about ta economy and getting nowhere.

Best of luck to you if you do persue this.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jamito45 View Post
Like i've said in other threads, the MPG is not what they stated. My Punto TA is currently getting 36 MPG in these cold coditions. What I will say is that I drive Urban roads with the start-stop, slow moving, and hill starts.. that cripples my MPG.

On a quiet evening on a 30mph road I can easily get 55MPG on the trip computer, but to get this as an average requires luck and forward planning.

I think everyone here would be interested in seeing what Fiat do. I was told once my engine "breaks in" I would see an increase, granted its only at 1300 miles, but from what I've heard the next 5000 miles won't make a difference.

Do you know in your dealings with Trading Standards whether there is a % they can be out? As on Motorways I'm almost 3 times less the MPG they stated.

(That said, still love my car )
Fiat just keep saying that all conditions must be perfect to get anywhere near the advertised mpg. Trading standards are still looking into it and I will post what they say when I know. They were very interested in what the finance company said when I challenged them. They said they had had quite afew complaints and some guy took it to court but lost!!!
They do however want people to make it known to them hence why I asked the question on here. You seem to be the onlyone to say they have this issue with their TA as most just tell you how to drive or compare it to their 500.
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Re: Twin Air shocking mpg

Just an update for you. Drove just under 1000 miles on a trip to sunnyScotland and back. I got 46.45MPG on the way up and 47.13 on the way down. (Forthe record I drove at bang on 70 with Cruise control the whole way. I drovelate evening )

The trip wasn't 'perfect' conditions, but no stops or roadwork’s and verylittle wind/rain.

Can't say I'm surprised at the results, but disappointed I didn't break the50 barrier .
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Just an update for you. Drove just under 1000 miles on a trip to sunnyScotland and back. I got 46.45MPG on the way up and 47.13 on the way down. (Forthe record I drove at bang on 70 with Cruise control the whole way. I drovelate evening )

The trip wasn't 'perfect' conditions, but no stops or roadwork’s and verylittle wind/rain.

Can't say I'm surprised at the results, but disappointed I didn't break the50 barrier .
hi again,

thanks for a REAL WORLD post,

I would say at a constant "indicated" 70 mph, that's actually pretty respectable..,
my 1.2 punto mk 2, does 45 urban, 50 on a run, but 70 mph sees it down in the low 40's,

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We picked our twinair up last friday! Other half loves it but im concerned about the mpg! We had a 1.3 multijet turbo diesel and the guy who sold us the twinair told us it would match that if not be better on the mpg! We havent even hit an average of over 28mpg yet and are using a lot of petrol!! Car currently only has 142 miles on it - will this get better as im worried we have been conned a little!
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Fiat just keep saying that all conditions must be perfect to get anywhere near the advertised mpg. Trading standards are still looking into it and I will post what they say when I know. They were very interested in what the finance company said when I challenged them. They said they had had quite afew complaints and some guy took it to court but lost!!!
They do however want people to make it known to them hence why I asked the question on here. You seem to be the onlyone to say they have this issue with their TA as most just tell you how to drive or compare it to their 500.
The Punto TA isn't the first, and it certainly won't be the last, to fall foul of the NEDC economy test not translating to real life.
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We picked our twinair up last friday! Other half loves it but im concerned about the mpg! We had a 1.3 multijet turbo diesel and the guy who sold us the twinair told us it would match that if not be better on the mpg! We havent even hit an average of over 28mpg yet and are using a lot of petrol!! Car currently only has 142 miles on it - will this get better as im worried we have been conned a little!
A salesman will tell you exactly what you want to hear about anything; did you not do a bit of research prior to buying a car?

You have to be driving it pretty hard to get 28mpg - granted, it's new (and the TA engine is pretty tight when brand new), but you need to drive differently because the engine behaves quite differently to a four cylinder motor. Less revs, and 'feel' the car progress rather than 'forcing' it to.
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We picked our twinair up last friday! Other half loves it but im concerned about the mpg! We had a 1.3 multijet turbo diesel and the guy who sold us the twinair told us it would match that if not be better on the mpg! We havent even hit an average of over 28mpg yet and are using a lot of petrol!! Car currently only has 142 miles on it - will this get better as im worried we have been conned a little!

hi what car is this TwinAir in..?, 5 or 6 speed??

28 mpg does sound VERY low..!!,how does that compare = computer vs pump + odo.
I could never expect it to match a diesel for economy,
but on low-mileage running costs maybe..!!

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Quote Originally Posted by nicky1987 View Post
We picked our twinair up last friday! Other half loves it but im concerned about the mpg! We had a 1.3 multijet turbo diesel and the guy who sold us the twinair told us it would match that if not be better on the mpg! We havent even hit an average of over 28mpg yet and are using a lot of petrol!! Car currently only has 142 miles on it - will this get better as im worried we have been conned a little!
28mpg is what I get if I drive mine around flat out.
I have 12k miles on my 500 TA and noticed that it got a lot more economical after the first few thousand miles.
A lot depends on driving style too. You have to really pay attention to achieve good mpg on a TA, unlike a diesel which gives good mpg however it's driven.
Hope this helps.
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