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Hi all,

My car has failed MOT this week which I was not surprised as needs welding on subframe to reattach rear bump stop. It will be coated with hammerite or something similar and then new springs added also.

Mot test centre has advised the following,

Repair immediatley

Nearside Rear Suspension arm pin or bush excessively worn trailing arm bush (5.3.4 (a) (i))
Nearside Rear Shock absorbers has a serious fluid leak (5.3.2 (b))
Offside Front Track rod end ball joint has excessive play (2.1.3 (b) (i))

Advisories

Exhaust has a minor leak of exhaust gases (6.1.2 (a))
Nearside Rear bump stop corroded

I will not be doing the job myself but my friend is local mechanic and will help me out. He has had the car up on the ramp and advised that changing the trailing arm is a right pig but says best thing to do is change the ABS track control arms. - I plan to head down later today to look at the car underneath.

Where is the best place to source parts cheap please?

I have looked on Auto doc and the swing arms are £65.00 - any idea on length of time / labour. Read previous threads of around 4 hours.

on the plus side the clutch and gearbox has holded up well and my car is doing regen :)
 
Hi.I've just changed my nsr swing arm bearing and bought a Borg and Beck kit from ebay for under £20. It took me just under 3 hours to change, but I'm no mechanic and was working on a gravel driveway. I'd doubt you'd need a complete swing arm as it's usually just the bearings that collapse.
Shocks are also fairly easy to change,and you'll be undoing the bottom shock bolt anyway whilst doing the swingarm.
Good luck,and these jobs tend to sound worse than they usually are.
 

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Hi.I've just changed my nsr swing arm bearing and bought a Borg and Beck kit from ebay for under £20. It took me just under 3 hours to change, but I'm no mechanic and was working on a gravel driveway. I'd doubt you'd need a complete swing arm as it's usually just the bearings that collapse.
Shocks are also fairly easy to change,and you'll be undoing the bottom shock bolt anyway whilst doing the swingarm.
Good luck,and these jobs tend to sound worse than they usually are.
Thanks for the information. I did visit the garage today and was put up on the ramp. Mate says to do swing arms but will put this to him again as changing bearings seems alot less labour and also cost as well. Needs quite a few bits sorted at back and hoping this is the end of it.
 
Hi, mechanic doesnt want to agro doing bearings on their own so going the swing arms route.

also need Abs Sensors.

my car is the 1.9 diesel multijet - 2006 model.

Please can someone point me in the cheapest and best place to source.

Autodoc was where I have looked but dont have the ABS sensors.
 
Hi,

can someone help me out sourcing new rear ABS sensors?

Part numbers are 51705197 & 51705198

many thanks.
 
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Do you know if it's the round, or square plug type that you're after?

Not sure. Car is at the garage atm.

All I know from calling Fiat garage is that the parts are

51705197 - Rear left

51705198 - Rear right.

Car is 1.9 diesel 2006

Any help would be much appreciated.
 
OK. I'm digging around on ePER having a look atm. I can never remember which section the ABS wiring is in. Don't think it's Brakes......

If they haven't already removed everything from the car, it would be worth asking your garage to lift the carpet next to the internal plastic sill trim, for the rear doors, and check which plug type is actually on the car. There is a white connector that they'll have to pull apart to remove the back axle (and the sensors). From memory, the earlier cars have a round plug and later ones are square/rectangular in end shape. I would think yours is the latter, but it would be worth checking. The 5170xxxx part numbers you've listed suggest they are the square ones - earlier part numbers for the Multipla are usually 46xxxxxx
 
OK. I'm digging around on ePER having a look atm. I can never remember which section the ABS wiring is in. Don't think it's Brakes......

If they haven't already removed everything from the car, it would be worth asking your garage to lift the carpet next to the internal plastic sill trim, for the rear doors, and check which plug type is actually on the car. There is a white connector that they'll have to pull apart to remove the back axle (and the sensors). From memory, the earlier cars have a round plug and later ones are square/rectangular in end shape. I would think yours is the latter, but it would be worth checking. The 5170xxxx part numbers you've listed suggest they are the square ones - earlier part numbers for the Multipla are usually 46xxxxxx

Appreciate your help with this. - just called the garage to take a look for me so will let you know the outcome. Do you normally buy your parts from Autodoc?

Got some parts today but awaiting swings arm. Be nice to finally get this car back on the road for hols after the big overhaul.
 
If I'm not in a hurry I'll often buy from Autodoc. It means planning ahead and giving yourself enough time to get the parts in. They are always slow in delivering. However, their prices are excellent and the sheer range of supplier choice they offer makes EuroCarParts look like a car boot seller. I very rarely buy from ECP now. That may change come October 31st..... :(

There are some sellers on ebay coming up with the 5170xxx part numbers. However, reading their descriptions in detail, some are showing both the old (468xxxx) part numbers and the new (5170xxx) as compatible. I know from personal experience that they are not! Tread carefully.

The picture at the bottom of this listing (with a natty little turntable video):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Ri...674037?hash=item4b47e408f5:g:krEAAOSwZA1aZy8g

Unfortunately the seller is away atm so you can't ask them questions. The video shows the later-type end plug. It's the black obround thing at the bottom of the picture before the video starts. That is the plug that's under the carpet. On earlier cars, that plug is white, hard plastic and round in cross section. They are easy to tell apart.
 
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If I'm not in a hurry I'll often buy from Autodoc. It means planning ahead and giving yourself enough time to get the parts in. They are always slow in delivering. However, their prices are excellent and the sheer range of supplier choice they offer makes EuroCarParts look like a car boot seller. I very rarely buy from ECP now. That may change come October 31st..... :(

There are some sellers on ebay coming up with the 5170xxx part numbers. However, reading their descriptions in detail, some are showing both the old (468xxxx) part numbers and the new (5170xxx) as compatible. I know from personal experience that they are not! Tread carefully.

The picture at the bottom of this listing (with a natty little turntable video):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Ri...674037?hash=item4b47e408f5:g:krEAAOSwZA1aZy8g

Unfortunately the seller is away atm so you can't ask them questions. The video shows the later-type end plug. It's the black obround thing at the bottom of the picture before the video starts. That is the plug that's under the carpet. On earlier cars, that plug is white, hard plastic and round in cross section. They are easy to tell apart.

Yeah I agree Autodoc is slow but cant grumble with the prices. Looked on ebay and their prices are ok but like you say best to tread carefully.

DAM motors advised they had them in stock but not sure I want used as better to have new really. - He is a good bloke mind you as put new clutch and gearbox in mine.

ECP are may use as they have 35% off at mo which helps bring price down.

Spent a fair whack on this car but it is very unique and dont see many about plus they have a niche in market. - Only other six seater is the Honda FRV
 
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For the sake of completeness for anyone reading this thread at some point in the future, ePER lists the two types of ABS sensors as follows:

EARLY TYPE (white, round plug)

NSF = 46520005

OSF = 46519886

NSR = 46838609

OSR = 46838610

LATER TYPE (black, obround plug)
NSF = 51705195

OSF = 51705196

NSR = 51705197

OSR = 51705198

I'm seeing a few links to Bosch part number 0 265 007 543 on google, for the Fiat P/N 51705197. Mister Auto is one of the hits. However, the MA compatibility list once on their site is showing the old number 46838609. The picture is of the newer type. That Bosch part number brings up lots of hits on google though. Autodoc also list that part number (and in stock), for only £17.....

It looks as though the corresponding Bosch part number for the older plug type is 0 265 007 563. That is much harder to find on google. Not good news for owners of older Multiplas. I think I may still have the old (but new, if that makes sense) ones I bought some years ago, if anybody needs one. All I need to do is figure out where the hell it is!


Photo is of the plug on my car. ePER told me I had the old (white, round) type when I checked using my VIN, so I had pre-bought the old type. Mmmm. That is why I advise checking your car before making a purchase, to avoid disappointment...

Personally, I wouldn't buy secondhand ones. They are a b1tch to get out of the arms and can get easily damaged when doing so.
 

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For the sake of completeness for anyone reading this thread at some point in the future, ePER lists the two types of ABS sensors as follows:

EARLY TYPE (white, round plug)

NSF = 46520005

OSF = 46519886

NSR = 46838609

OSR = 46838610

LATER TYPE (black, obround plug)
NSF = 51705195

OSF = 51705196

NSR = 51705197

OSR = 51705198

I'm seeing a few links to Bosch part number 0 265 007 543 on google, for the Fiat P/N 51705197. Mister Auto is one of the hits. However, the MA compatibility list once on their site is showing the old number 46838609. The picture is of the newer type. That Bosch part number brings up lots of hits on google though. Autodoc also list that part number (and in stock), for only £17.....

It looks as though the corresponding Bosch part number for the older plug type is 0 265 007 563. That is much harder to find on google. Not good news for owners of older Multiplas. I think I may still have the old (but new, if that makes sense) ones I bought some years ago, if anybody needs one. All I need to do is figure out where the hell it is!


Photo is of the plug on my car. ePER told me I had the old (white, round) type when I checked using my VIN, so I had pre-bought the old type. Mmmm. That is why I advise checking your car before making a purchase, to avoid disappointment...

Personally, I wouldn't buy secondhand ones. They are a b1tch to get out of the arms and can get easily damaged when doing so.

As always, thanks for all your help widemouth. - Will know in due course on the part.
 
For the sake of completeness for anyone reading this thread at some point in the future, ePER lists the two types of ABS sensors as follows:

EARLY TYPE (white, round plug)

NSF = 46520005

OSF = 46519886

NSR = 46838609

OSR = 46838610

LATER TYPE (black, obround plug)
NSF = 51705195

OSF = 51705196

NSR = 51705197

OSR = 51705198

I'm seeing a few links to Bosch part number 0 265 007 543 on google, for the Fiat P/N 51705197. Mister Auto is one of the hits. However, the MA compatibility list once on their site is showing the old number 46838609. The picture is of the newer type. That Bosch part number brings up lots of hits on google though. Autodoc also list that part number (and in stock), for only £17.....

It looks as though the corresponding Bosch part number for the older plug type is 0 265 007 563. That is much harder to find on google. Not good news for owners of older Multiplas. I think I may still have the old (but new, if that makes sense) ones I bought some years ago, if anybody needs one. All I need to do is figure out where the hell it is!


Photo is of the plug on my car. ePER told me I had the old (white, round) type when I checked using my VIN, so I had pre-bought the old type. Mmmm. That is why I advise checking your car before making a purchase, to avoid disappointment...

Personally, I wouldn't buy secondhand ones. They are a b1tch to get out of the arms and can get easily damaged when doing so.


Finally can report back Widemouth. - Mine has the later black ones for the rear left and right.

Now the important question for you?

I need these next week, where is the cheapest place to get them please?
 
Thanks for the links Widemouth. First two links don't work.

The third I have just messaged the seller as not very clear which side at the rear it is.

Just to confirm though that these also fit a Alfa also based on description.
 
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