Technical Advice on Clutch,DMF and DPF
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Technical Advice on Clutch,DMF and DPF
I had mine replaced by Optima Motors near Swindon. I supplied them with a modified Valeo clutch from CG Motorsports which has a heavier clamping pressure than a standard one. The parts are still stock Valeo, but CG are Valeo agents and they can make up clutch kits to spec by picking items from the Valeo parts bin. In other words, the pressure plate was one intended for something other than a Multipla. It worked well - no clutch slip and it didn't feel any heavier in its action.
HOWEVER - I had it replaced after about 30k miles because it felt like it was starting to struggle with gear selection. The pressure plate fingers were worn. Friction plate friction surfaces, release bearing etc were all fine. I had that replaced with an LUK kit and an LUK dmf. I wasn't so impressed by that. There are a few threads on here (especially by bikedoc) from people who had problems with the LUK kit and dmf. Note that the LUK dmf and Valeo clutch kit are not compatible (for reasons I never worked out).
If I were to buy again, I'd go with Valeo clutch and dmf, possibly the updated one from CG, but I'd want to work out what caused the rapid wear of the fingers. I think it may well be because I didn't replace the centre guid tube for the release bearing; I think that's must.
HOWEVER - I had it replaced after about 30k miles because it felt like it was starting to struggle with gear selection. The pressure plate fingers were worn. Friction plate friction surfaces, release bearing etc were all fine. I had that replaced with an LUK kit and an LUK dmf. I wasn't so impressed by that. There are a few threads on here (especially by bikedoc) from people who had problems with the LUK kit and dmf. Note that the LUK dmf and Valeo clutch kit are not compatible (for reasons I never worked out).
If I were to buy again, I'd go with Valeo clutch and dmf, possibly the updated one from CG, but I'd want to work out what caused the rapid wear of the fingers. I think it may well be because I didn't replace the centre guid tube for the release bearing; I think that's must.
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Ok many thanks for the information on the Clutch. Will be purchasing one soon so will check CG out.
Does anyone use the alfaobd android app? I now have a dongle which I plugged into car and tried the alfaobd demo out. Considering the full version but want to know if it shows live data of the car such as percentage of DPF blocked etc.
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Fitted a Luk dmf and clutch kit to my jtd, it looks a lot different (not as substantial) to the one I removed so I can see why different makes would be incompatible, the pedal travel is long though - have to press pedal nearly to floor for full clearance and I sometimes rev engine like a learner doing a hill start due to long travel (made it smell once or twice initially but that could have been newness and bedding in?) Wonder whether replacing the original slave and master cylinders might help with pedal travel.
I have considered replacing the slave cylinder on mine also when I do the clutch. Clutch still has a bit of life in it but is on the way out so may wait until it gets worse. I find rather than quick gear changes its best to wait a second or two as gear change is smoother.
Friend who is mechanic did recommend the Luk clutch but looking at other options also.
I find what you have to say here very interesting. I have a high opinion of Valeo clutches too. A short time ago our local Fiat independent replaced the clutch in our Panda for me. Had I been doing it myself I would have ordered from Mick at Shop4parts. That would be a Valeo. As it was I asked what the garage would fit. I always use Valeo said he. I can buy a bit cheaper but Valeo just always works and I don't get any comebacks. So Becky is running around with a new Valeo clutch, it's working a treat and I'm very happy.
I like Valeo stuff too, but from what I've seen elsewhere, substantive preference is very make/model specific. Over on the Audi A2 forum for instance (I've got a couple of A2's), Valeo clutches and flywheels get a bad press and the clutch kit of choice is definitely the LUK, which is by all accounts what Audi fitted at the factory. For an old Opel I owned, Borg and Beck clutches were always the top recommendation, though that was in the days before proper interweb. How did we ever live without it....
I've been trying to find the thread/posts that @BikeDoc posted about the free play in the LUK DMF that he fitted and subsequently replaced with a Valeo one, from what I remember. In that thread, he demonstrated a lot more free play in the LUK DMF and one or two other shortcomings. Unfortunately, I can't find it.
If you are scouring ebay and the like for bargain clutch kits and DMF's (they can be had - I bought a brand new Valeo DMF for less than £90, including delivery) make sure you get the right clutch diameter. I think the norm was/is 230mm, but some earlier cars had a 235mm clutch with 20 splines. They aren't interchangeable.
Keep a look out for QH kits as I think they use(d) Valeo parts.
I've been trying to find the thread/posts that @BikeDoc posted about the free play in the LUK DMF that he fitted and subsequently replaced with a Valeo one, from what I remember. In that thread, he demonstrated a lot more free play in the LUK DMF and one or two other shortcomings. Unfortunately, I can't find it.
If you are scouring ebay and the like for bargain clutch kits and DMF's (they can be had - I bought a brand new Valeo DMF for less than £90, including delivery) make sure you get the right clutch diameter. I think the norm was/is 230mm, but some earlier cars had a 235mm clutch with 20 splines. They aren't interchangeable.
Keep a look out for QH kits as I think they use(d) Valeo parts.
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Are you sure it was me WMF?
I replaced the clutch on my original Multi (the Blue one), as I had the Gearbox off to replace the knackered Release Bearing.
I found the cheapest was an OEM from the local Fiat Dealer, believe it or not!
I'm still Multipla-less, doubt I'll get another now.
I keep going to put things in the back of my Mazda 3, and they don't fit :bang:
I joined the Mazda owners Forum, there's about 3 posts a month, if that, talk about dead!
Good in a way I guess, they just don't seem to go wrong.
Good for the wallet, but a bit boring . . .
I replaced the clutch on my original Multi (the Blue one), as I had the Gearbox off to replace the knackered Release Bearing.
I found the cheapest was an OEM from the local Fiat Dealer, believe it or not!
I'm still Multipla-less, doubt I'll get another now.
I keep going to put things in the back of my Mazda 3, and they don't fit :bang:
I joined the Mazda owners Forum, there's about 3 posts a month, if that, talk about dead!
Good in a way I guess, they just don't seem to go wrong.
Good for the wallet, but a bit boring . . .
Hi @BikeDoc thanks for getting back to this thread. I've been back on the forum Advanced Search and I have to apologise - it wasn't you! It was @glowplug :
https://www.fiatforum.com/multipla/437667-changing-clutch-transmission-removal.html
Alas, it looks as though he too is no longer a Multipla owner so there'll be no long term reliability feedback
P.S. BD - I thought you said you'd bought another Fiat of some description?
https://www.fiatforum.com/multipla/437667-changing-clutch-transmission-removal.html
Alas, it looks as though he too is no longer a Multipla owner so there'll be no long term reliability feedback
P.S. BD - I thought you said you'd bought another Fiat of some description?
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Thank goodness it wasn't me!
I forget some things, but I was sure I'd remember doing two Clutch changes!
My eldest Daughter has a little (fake) 500, maybe that's what you're thinking of.
I wanted another Multi after my second one was taken out by a drunk on New Year's Morning (2017), but good ones were getting hard to find.
Also, my missus had gone anti-diesel, and wanted something a bit less 'odd'.
So now I'm resigned to a bland (but fairly capable) 58 plate Mazda 3.
Can never find the bloody thing in a car park, and the aforementioned lack of carrying capacity requires forward planning if I need to shift anything sizeable.
Any time our whole family (six) want to go out together, it's a two-car journey.
I'll probably really really want one once they become rare/desirable/collectable/expensive, if that ever happens . . .
I forget some things, but I was sure I'd remember doing two Clutch changes!
My eldest Daughter has a little (fake) 500, maybe that's what you're thinking of.
I wanted another Multi after my second one was taken out by a drunk on New Year's Morning (2017), but good ones were getting hard to find.
Also, my missus had gone anti-diesel, and wanted something a bit less 'odd'.
So now I'm resigned to a bland (but fairly capable) 58 plate Mazda 3.
Can never find the bloody thing in a car park, and the aforementioned lack of carrying capacity requires forward planning if I need to shift anything sizeable.
Any time our whole family (six) want to go out together, it's a two-car journey.
I'll probably really really want one once they become rare/desirable/collectable/expensive, if that ever happens . . .
Buy a good one now for pennies and save it from the scrap yard. They are heading there in their droves; have a look at the cliff-face curve they're falling off on HowManyLeft
Good to get all this knowledge on clutches and DMF. Been scouring eBay as have funds in PayPal to use. Presently thinking of going LUK route for both.
Also, good to know other thoughts about multiplas. Very rare on road. Think only one other person owns one in reading where I live. Seen a few when in North Cornwall. I've often thought of what would replace it but need at least six seats and most 7 seaters they have no boot space. Plus also nice to own a rare car on road.
Mine is newer shape and in black and think it looks good. I will keep mine providing no dpf issues throw up.
What's clutch is fixed I need a spot of welding on subframe and then all problems gone. Had alot to pay out last year so should be it for few years hopefully.
If anyone has any links for clutches and DMF they can recommend it would be a great help.
Also, good to know other thoughts about multiplas. Very rare on road. Think only one other person owns one in reading where I live. Seen a few when in North Cornwall. I've often thought of what would replace it but need at least six seats and most 7 seaters they have no boot space. Plus also nice to own a rare car on road.
Mine is newer shape and in black and think it looks good. I will keep mine providing no dpf issues throw up.
What's clutch is fixed I need a spot of welding on subframe and then all problems gone. Had alot to pay out last year so should be it for few years hopefully.
If anyone has any links for clutches and DMF they can recommend it would be a great help.
Just read the link and think I best have a valeo clutch!!!Hi @BikeDoc thanks for getting back to this thread. I've been back on the forum Advanced Search and I have to apologise - it wasn't you! It was @glowplug :
https://www.fiatforum.com/multipla/437667-changing-clutch-transmission-removal.html
Alas, it looks as though he too is no longer a Multipla owner so there'll be no long term reliability feedback
P.S. BD - I thought you said you'd bought another Fiat of some description?
Autodoc currently list the full Valeo JTD DMF and clutch kit for £285. That would include delivery as it's over their minimum for free carriage. That's a good starting point and Price to Beat. It doesn't look like you get the 6 flywheel bolts included in the kit though.
I use alfaobd for oil reset on a windows tablet with a USB OBDII dongle as I simply couldn't find a BT dongle that works properly. Those chinese BT dongles seem to be designed to work with Torque and nothing else. I have a handful of them and they are all useless.
Couldn't get any non OBD method to reset the service/oil counter on JTD Multijet (with DPF) to work.
Ok thanks info. The Bluetooth dongle I have connects to the Alfa obd demo app. I was keen to see percentage status of dpf etc also.
Friend has a proper diagnostics kit as a mechanic. Have seen info on there but would like to see all this info when driving. More keen to see this now I have new one fitted.
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Does anyone know what is needed to connect Multiecuscan to a computer ?
Ok interesting to know. For the moment ill just stick to using mates diagnostics kit.
Car is whining away as need clutch done over next few weeks but still going.
One thing I have noticed due to cold weather in recent days is the car takes ages to heat up. Read some old threads and common problem.
Guess this is the thermostat which considering getting replaced when I put the car in for repair.
I got a cheap KKL USB interface, it supports all the functions of the JTD Multijet, some via adapters with AlfaOBD. The same should work with MultiECUScan according to its web site but I haven't tried it.
