Register Login
Shop4Parts - UK's largest online superstore for FIAT and Alfa Romeo parts
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 27-10-2016   #1
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London
Posts: 82
Thanks: 4
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

Does anyone know if the windscreen wipers should activate automatically when the washer fluid is dispensed by pulling the stalk towards you being the steering wheel?

I've had two multiplas over 8 years and this has never been the case.

I was sure if this was by design or whether a fuse or relay was faulty.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

aeroadster is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-10-2016   #2
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Near the M4
Posts: 20,569
Thanks: 728
Trader Rating: 0
varesecrazy has donated!
United Kingdom 
Quote Originally Posted by aeroadster View Post
Does anyone know if the windscreen wipers should activate automatically when the washer fluid is dispensed by pulling the stalk towards you being the steering wheel?

I've had two multiplas over 8 years and this has never been the case.

I was sure if this was by design or whether a fuse or relay was faulty.
From memory.. my marea is the same..
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

varesecrazy is online now Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-10-2016   #3
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London
Posts: 82
Thanks: 4
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

My concern is that I've called two Fiat dealers, and no one actually knows!!!!

I'm currently querying this matter with an MOT tester, who insists that all car must have an automatic wash & wiper function.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

aeroadster is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-10-2016   #4
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London
Posts: 82
Thanks: 4
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

I've looked at the MOT reference online and this link says:

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_820.htm

Under the reasons for rejection:

Wipers and Washers

a. A wiper or washer control missing or inaccessible to the driver

b. a wiper does not continue to operate automatically when switched on

c. a wiper installed for the use of the driver does not operate over an area of the windscreen large enough to give the driver an adequate view of the road (through the windscreen) to the left and right sides of the vehicle. as well as to the front.

2. A wiper blade insecure, missing, or in such a condition that it does not clear the windscreen effectively to give the driver an adequate view of the road (through the windscreen) to the left and right sides of the vehicle, as well as to the front.

3. The windscreen washers do not provide enough liquid to clear the windscreen in conjunction with the wiper(s)
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

aeroadster is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-10-2016   #5
Moderator
 
g8rpi's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 4,105
Thanks: 418
Trader Rating: 0
g8rpi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

Quote Originally Posted by aeroadster View Post
My concern is that I've called two Fiat dealers, and no one actually knows!!!!

I'm currently querying this matter with an MOT tester, who insists that all car must have an automatic wash & wiper function.
First, MOT tester is talking rubbish. There is no requirement for autowipe after wash
Section 8.2 of the testers hand book, washers, reason for rejection, "The windscreen washers do not provide enough liquid to clear the windscreen in conjunction with the wiper(s)". Nothing about automatic wiper operation. While you might read this with an emphasis on " in conjunction with the wiper" the key element is "do not provide enough liquid "
If he insists complain to VOSA. I'd report him anyway.


For a specific car auto wipe on wash may depend on the trim level / options /year/ market so some car of the "same" model may have it and some may not.


Robert G8RPI
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

g8rpi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-10-2016   #6
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London
Posts: 82
Thanks: 4
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

I agree with you on the poor interpretation by the MOT tester.

I have the Eleganza, which sat at the top of the range. This feature didn't exist on my 54plate 115BHP JTD Eleganza, nor does it exist on my current 120BHP Eleganza.

The fiat dealers are so incompetent that I've asked them for the part number of the wiper switch, so I can check and see if there's a circuit and wiring diagram.

If I can get hold of this information, it will categorically show whether the washer function is remotely connected to the wipers.
Likes varesecrazy liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

aeroadster is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-10-2016   #7
Moderator
 
g8rpi's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 4,105
Thanks: 418
Trader Rating: 0
g8rpi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

Quote Originally Posted by aeroadster View Post
I agree with you on the poor interpretation by the MOT tester.

I have the Eleganza, which sat at the top of the range. This feature didn't exist on my 54plate 115BHP JTD Eleganza, nor does it exist on my current 120BHP Eleganza.

The fiat dealers are so incompetent that I've asked them for the part number of the wiper switch, so I can check and see if there's a circuit and wiring diagram.

If I can get hold of this information, it will categorically show whether the washer function is remotely connected to the wipers.

Hi,
Wiring diagram won't help unfortunately. It is almost certainly controlled by the body computer, not by any kind of direct wiring connection.
What does the owners manual say? If it mentions autowipe there may be a "were applicable" or "option dependent" statement.
Out of interest, ask him how he would fix it and how much?


More practicably let him reject the car, make sure he puts exact details of failure (not just "wipers not working") on the rejection notice. Get the MOT done elsewhere then report him to VOSA and send him a bill for the MOT test, your wasted time and mileage. If he doesn't pay tell him you will take it to small claims court. Follow through if he calls your bluff, you can do it on line and add the fees to his bill.


Robert G8RPI.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

g8rpi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-10-2016   #8
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London
Posts: 82
Thanks: 4
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

I got the part numbers, but there's no diagrams for them 735491933 and 735428558.

It's a shame non of the forums Multipla owners have had a chance to read this and confirm.

I talked to an Alfa dealer, as the parts were shared on the older 156 and other models, but they don't have any older second hand cars.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

aeroadster is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-10-2016   #9
semper in merda
 
widemouthfrog's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Deepest darkest Wiltshire
Posts: 2,037
Thanks: 158
Trader Rating: 0
widemouthfrog has donated!
widemouthfrog is an honorary friend of the forum :)
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

Owners manual for my 2004 roundnose, page 80:

"When the lever is pulled toward the steering wheel (fig.63) the windscreen and headlight washer jets start operating (where fitted) providing the dipped beam headlights are switched on."

No mention of an autowipe. Yes, it's a bit unusual these days, but hardly the end of the world. I find it can be used to good advantage - aim the washer jets so they land somewhere towards the top of the screen when the car is at standstill. Squirt and let the water run down the screen for a second or two to soften the dirt, then flick wipe to clear the screen.
Likes varesecrazy liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

widemouthfrog is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-10-2016   #10
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London
Posts: 82
Thanks: 4
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

For the last 8 years, we've always just squirted and then manually flicked the wiper stalk down to wipe the screen.

We've never known anything different on either of our Multiplas.

I've lodged a query with VOSA on the matter by e-mail.
Likes widemouthfrog, g8rpi, varesecrazy liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

aeroadster is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 27-10-2016   #11
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 100
Thanks: 21
Trader Rating: 0
Afghanistan 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

I'm on my third Multipla - none of 'em do the "autowipe with wash" thing.
Likes varesecrazy liked this post
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

pig is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 28-10-2016   #12
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 169
Thanks: 2
Trader Rating: 0
lazybones51 has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

My 2010 doesn't do it and neither do any of my other older Fiats (except the mk2 Punto). Sounds like you need to find a new garage for your MOTs.
__________________
1994 Cinquecento SX
2009 Panda Dynamic Eco
2010 Multipla Eleganza JTD
Follow my adventures - http://blog.kevinmace.co.uk
lazybones51 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 05-01-2017   #13
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Guildford, Surrey
Posts: 260
Thanks: 1
Trader Rating: 0
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

My 2005 Eleganza doesn't do it either, got used to just squirting and wiping now (no innuendo intended) 😅😅

Funny enough my Marea 20v HLX had the auto wipe functionality, but my friend who had a 1.8 ELX didn't. Really weird.
__________________
kimi1984 is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Old 06-01-2017   #14
Moderator
 
g8rpi's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 4,105
Thanks: 418
Trader Rating: 0
g8rpi has donated!
United Kingdom 
Re: Auto wipe on washer fluid squirt or not

Quote Originally Posted by aeroadster View Post
For the last 8 years, we've always just squirted and then manually flicked the wiper stalk down to wipe the screen.

We've never known anything different on either of our Multiplas.

I've lodged a query with VOSA on the matter by e-mail.
Did you get any response to your email?


Robert G8RPI.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides

g8rpi is offline Reply With Quote Quote 
Reply
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
(G) Washer fluid tinmar49 Panda 14 02-02-2016 14:58
(T) No washer fluid. No washer pump noise!! Fizbne Cinquecento / Seicento 3 20-08-2012 16:33
Why washer fluid should be used... Garree001 Leisure Lounge 13 21-06-2010 20:33
(T) Rear washer - no fluid Jake_in_notts 500 5 03-01-2010 14:43
(T) Front washer and wipe? ELTSBABY Uno 7 02-01-2007 13:10