Result!

So FSM2029 is the OEM equivalent? I think it is. FSM2028 is easy to get hold of (and cheap too) so if it does fit, that's a result as well.

Ok...I finally got on the laptop (earlier posts were from phone so please excuse spelling and grammar!!)

This is what ive ordered for the back.
http://www.partsbase.net/part/bir-5702 (Fsm 2029 equivalent)

And this is what ive ordered for the front.
http://www.partsbase.net/part/bir-5772 (Fsm 2028 equivalent)

Links to buy them
http://manodalys.lt/product.php?id_product=1056980169
http://manodalys.lt/product.php?id_product=1004540169

4.38Lt = 1GBP as of today (shipping is 22LT only!!!)
Works out at 53£ for you guys or 67€ for me for the 4 bushes at your door.

The guys there get back to you immediately by email...really good.
Ill post back with measurements when they arrive.
Marty.

martyc5674 said:

...It seems really strange that they are press fit from above...in that case the bolt is only holding the bush in place...

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...and the subframe and everything attached to it (along with the other three bolts and bushes of course).
What's so strange?
The only time there is any downwards load on the bushes is if you jack the rear wheels clear of the ground at a point not on the subframe or trailing arms.
The press fit of the bushes is more than adequate to support the entire subframe assembly in that situation.

BikeDoc said:

...and the subframe and everything attached to it (along with the other three bolts and bushes of course).
What's so strange?
The only time there is any downwards load on the bushes is if you jack the rear wheels clear of the ground at a point not on the subframe or trailing arms.

The press fit of the bushes is more
than adequate to support the entire subframe assembly in that situation.

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Surely every time you corner your loading one side of the subframe and unloading the other to a degree...albeit depending how hard you corner.
Sure, the wheel doesn't come off the ground but that's not to say there aren't lots of momentary upward forces
When I dismantle it maybe it will become clearer to me that it's not really an issue but I would have thought if it were sandwiched in position it would cope better.
Marty.

BikeDoc said:

...and the subframe and everything attached to it (along with the other three bolts and bushes of course).
What's so strange?
The only time there is any downwards load on the bushes is if you jack the rear wheels clear of the ground at a point not on the subframe or trailing arms.
The press fit of the bushes is more than adequate to support the entire subframe assembly in that situation.

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In a static load case, that's certainly true. As Marty says, it's the dynamic load situations that make me a little more wary. Think how complex the loads will get if (for example) you hit a pothole with the outside wheel mid-bend.

The M12 bolts don't affect the friction fit of the bushes in the subframe if the bushes have a metal outer casing. Perhaps that's why the oem front bushes have the spreading rubber outer. It also means that you need to be very careful if you skim the casings of a pattern bush in order to get a fit.

BTW, FSM2026 bushes arrived this morning. Casing diameter 65.25 - 65.30mm. Height from underside of seating flange to top of bush is about 18mm.....

....closely followed by a delivery man with the rear bushes from A2Z. Casing diameter 74.9 - 75.2mm. Height from underside of seating flange to top of bush is about 23.5mm.

I've just measured the old rear bushes. Casing diameter is 74.8 - 74.9mm. Height from underside of seating flange to top of bush is harder to work out because they came to pieces as I removed them, but it's within 2-3mm of the new ones.

Bearing in mind that they've already been pressed into the subframe holes, I think it's safe to say that they are all but identical to FSM2029.

I can't measure the old front bushes as I had to burn them out. There's not a lot left of them!

martyc5674 said:

Ok...I finally got on the laptop (earlier posts were from phone so please excuse spelling and grammar!!)

This is what ive ordered for the back.
http://www.partsbase.net/part/bir-5702 (Fsm 2029 equivalent)

And this is what ive ordered for the front.
http://www.partsbase.net/part/bir-5772 (Fsm 2028 equivalent)

Links to buy them
http://manodalys.lt/product.php?id_product=1056980169
http://manodalys.lt/product.php?id_product=1004540169

4.38Lt = 1GBP as of today (shipping is 22LT only!!!)
Works out at 53£ for you guys or 67€ for me for the 4 bushes at your door.

The guys there get back to you immediately by email...really good.
Ill post back with measurements when they arrive.
Marty.

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These look like the ones I got from Ebay, in response to those of you who wanted photos. I'm a bit puzzled that it's previously been described as a very expensive garage job when the fix using Brava bushes seems to have been very simple once they were skimmed to size??

Nuddmann
Did you install yours yet??... The hope is that these(yours too??) won't need skimming unlike the brava ones.
I'm confused that your confused!!!
Cheers
Marty.

BTW. I asked about a bulk order and these were the last set he had in stock for a while.
But he can order straight from factory... We could try a bulk order maybe.

Marty.

I haven't installed hem yet. I saw them on eBay and, as I got an advice on them for the mot in may, thought I would buy them as they are like the proverbial rocking horse poo.

I will more than likely getting my garage to do them which is why I was a bit concerned that someone said it would cost a fortune when the brava fix took very little time after skimming the bushes.

I dont have a timescale for the work as its going in for a cam belt and drive belt change next week so there's no spare cash!

Will you take a few pics of them in the meantime...measurements would be great too.
You can email them to me when you have a chance and I'll stick them up here.
That way we can work out what's best.
If my ones work without modification I'll do a bulk order in a month or so for other forumites!!
(when I've a job and some cash again!!!)
Marty.

Bushes arrived today.
Nicely boxed in original birth packaging.
Front bushes..66mm diam, 21mm from bottom of support flange to top of bush. Inner diam 12mm This should be perfect

Rear bush 75mm diam 23.5mm from bottom of support flange to top of bush ,bolt hole is 15mm and tapers to 17.5mm,again this should be perfect.

So I reckon were on a winner.

I plan taking down the subframe replacing these along with trailing arm bushes the weekend after next.
I'll update but I can't see there being any issue.
Marty.

And how much was the whole set?

The prices are outlined a few posts back.
53£ delivered I think... It was 67.20€ for me.
Marty.

He has none left in stock but can order...
Marty.

Hello all I'm new to the forum. The search engine doesn't seem to work very well so I'm sorry if this has been asked before. I've been reading the previous posts with interest and wondered if anyone has tried the repair that has been on youtube for a while. The bush is actually still functional in a horizontal and vertical direction and won't fail the MOT as a result. My 03 has just passed the MOT with an advisory that the bush was causing the banging but wasn't loose or dangerous in any way. Only my nearside front bush is noisy the other one is OK. I jacked the car today and undid the bush bolt in question. I then fitted a thin rubber washer that I cut from an old welly boot and put the bolt back in. Noise cured and the old bush is still working fine it's just the alloy centre that has come adrift but the large washer at the underside of the bush and the underside of the chassis holds everything in place. The rubber washer prevents the subframe itself from bouncing up and hitting the underside of the chassis.
The problem I have is that the thread at the tip of the bolt has been removed on opposite sides for some reason. This makes the first half inch very weak. I discovered this to my cost as I wanted to fit a thicker, 10mm Conveyor Belt Washer but when I tried to tighten it all up I stripped the end of the bolt. I now need to replace the bolt with a slightly longer version about 100mm instead of 95mm to allow for the thicker washer. I just wanted to check before ordering it if it is an M12 1.25 because I tried to measure it and it seemed to be M11?
Apologies again if this has been asked before and if the fix has been discussed but I wanted to let people know how I arrived at this point.

Hi
I have only just seen this thread. I did my front rear bushes last year and wrote up an article
Repairs website
https://sites.google.com/site/fiatmultipla/Home/repairs
then scroll down to Suspension
then download
FiatMultipla_ReplacingRearSubframeBushes.pdf
I used a Poundland caliper so don't quote my size!

A more recent poster said they found that 64.25 to 64.3 mm was the sweet spot for a good tight fit that we could actually get in to the subframe.

Beware the captive (Or not so captive nut) I ended up having to major surgery on my chassis to retrieve the bugger. :bang:

Well if anyone is interested i will be listing a whole new rear subframe on the bay in the next few days with the proper bushes in that came with it.
£200 takes it not sure on post though.
I know my original subframe has rust issues as im sure some of you guys will find when replacing the bushes mainly around the bumpstop holders.

Hi all,

Having the same rear subframe bushes problem (as has been experienced on this forum) as well as a knackered radius arm I resorted to trying to get a second hand sub frame with bushes included. Having been able to source a couple, the sellers tell me that my car has discs wheras the car from which the subframe would be taken has drums. Does anybody know if this makes a difference, and whether the subframes are the same regardless?

Hi I have a metal lining part number (46552732) for a multipla gd (1998-2010) just let me know if anybody's interested kind regards thanks.