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Re: anti roll bar bush

The use of the captive nut is a standard method on a few cars I've owned.

I'm sure that Powerflex or Superflex must do a set of Polys for the Marea.

From experience, polys generally tend to be firmer than rubber and of the two brands, the Powerflex brand tends to be better (less firm than Superflex) and less prone to shrinkage/permanent compression.

Powerflex tend to be more expensive too, but you pays your money....
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Re: anti roll bar bush

I see that Powerflex offers a range of generic bushes in various sizes that can be machined to size:

URL is powerflex.co.uk/universalbush.asp (I don't have rights to post as URL)

Does anyone have a standard bush they can measure, or details of the Marea bush? I imagine it's impossible to measure them in situ.

It'd be good to crack this one before my nails fall out!
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Re: anti roll bar bush

For future reference the bars are a little cheaper at partsworld-uk.com
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For future reference the bars are a little cheaper at partsworld-uk.com
No need to buy the ARB, you can purchase the bushes here:
www.silentblocks.com
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I've posted elsewhere about Chris Witor now being prepared to make up poly bushes for the ARB. But he needs the ARB clamps to allow them to make the mould to do this.
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Re: anti roll bar bush

Hi,

I'm thinking of replacing the ARB bushes on my Multipla.

Question: When removing/replacing the old/new bush can you:

a) prize the old/new plastic bush apart with a screwdriver say and slip the bush over the rollbar ie. sideways at a right angle to the rollbar, or

b) do you have to undo the droplink at the end of the bar and slide the bush along the bar and off the end?

Reason being: I usually have to saw the droplinks off as the nuts are so tight, so I'd like to avoid doing this if possible. If the job's too much hassle I'll let the garage do it.

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Re: anti roll bar bush

The bushes are split, but not completely in two. You can spread them enough to clip them over the ARB.

You'll have to split the riveted part of the roll bar clamps to get the old bushes out and the new ones in. The bolts hold everything in place when you put it all back together. It's just a bit more fiddly because each clamp is in two bits now, instead of one, but it's not difficult.

I did mine with the roll bar off the car so can't comment on the last query.
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The bushes are split, but not completely in two. You can spread them enough to clip them over the ARB.

You'll have to split the riveted part of the roll bar clamps to get the old bushes out and the new ones in.
Thanks widemouthfrog.

Wondering if bushes done before, clamp might already be split? - 16 year old car. Otherwise have read to slacken clamp bolts and drive screwdriver between to split. Might try see how I get on.

Quoted 100 (parts and 1.5 hours labour) to do (2 garages). 30-ish for parts from local motor factor.
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Re: anti roll bar bush

You can have a pair of roll bar bushes off ebay for about 15, delivered. Nothing else needed to do the job, though I'd check the condition of the four mounting bolts - a couple of mine had stretched so I replaced them.
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Re: anti roll bar bush

Did a dry run today to see if I could get at/remove the ARB bush clamp on one side. The 2 bolts unscrewed OK, but the upper and lower part of the clamp remained solidly stuck together even after some hefty welts with a cold chisel on the join front and back of the clamp.

Realise I will have to remove the whole ARB bar to open the clamps. Don't want to destroy the droplinks, yes I know they're cheap, might just saw off the bottom droplink nut on each side.

How easy is it to wiggle the rollbar out? Easy or not? Does the car have to be jacked up high enough, as I'm working on the deck?

Do you think it will be easy to split the clamps once I have 'em off the car?
I am working away from my house, so I need to know I can do it, don't want to have a car - and me - stranded away from home.
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Re: anti roll bar bush

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You can have a pair of roll bar bushes off ebay for about 15, delivered.
Thanks. Ordered on Ebay, 14-90 Click and Collect.
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Re: anti roll bar bush

Yes, it is easy to do but there's a fair bit of waggling involved to get the bar out. Jack the car up to an equal height on both sides. Getting the drop links off is a pig if you don't do this. Remove both wheels. Use a small wire brush to clean the exposed threads on the drop links & spray them with plenty of penetrating oil or WD40 & leave it to do its work for a few minutes. Release the drop links from the end of the ARB. Some types have a socket in the end of the thread to take an allen key, others have thin flats between the ARB and the ball joint rubber gaiter. Neither type is ideal; the allen key socket usually splits open as soon as you put any load on it and the type with flats needs a REALLY thin spanner to get on them (try a bicycle repair spanner if you can find one with the right AF).

Once those bits are cracked off, remove the four bolts that hold the ARB clamps in place, then you can start wiggling. It comes out more easily from one side than the other, but I can't remember which side is best! It's the power steering pipes that get in the way, but it does come out without disturbing anything else.

Splitting the clamps is easy with it all off the car.
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Re: anti roll bar bush

Good instructions ta.

Usually find the droplink nuts are a b**tard to get off, but I'll try what you suggest, and buy a spare droplink so I have a couple of spare nuts/link to use in case. I have some 30 year old - no kidding - Spear and Jackson junior hacksaw blades which go through steel like butter.

Potential savings: 100 - 15 (bushes) - 12 (droplink) = 73.
And satisfaction of doing the job myself.

See if my confidence is up to the job when the new bushes arrive.
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Re: anti roll bar bush

If you get the ARB off and run out of time to put it back on, just remove the drop links from the struts as well. Bikedoc on here used to advocate driving his Multi without the rollbar fitted and said he felt little difference. A quick road test without the whole setup will also confirm whether or not the ARB is the culprit for the knocking.

If you end up buying new drop links (assuming that you decide to refit the ARB!), treat yourself to a pair of Meyle HD ones. There's a seller from N. Ireland on ebay doing a pair for around 20-25 inc. delivery IIRC. They are way better than any others I've used.
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Re: anti roll bar bush

Update: ARB bushes arrived today. They are a rubber material and can be easily spread apart with bare hands, so if I could've split the clamps on the car or they were already split, it would be a quick job to swap the old bushes w/o removing the ARB or droplinks.

Bought a nut splitter (12 motor factor) for the droplink nuts, tested it on an identical nut - it works. There are a few Youtube videos showing their use for anyone interested eg.
They are a lot cheaper on Ebay but I don't want to hang around. Intend to just split the bottom droplink nut (to detach the droplink from the ARB) and replace, saving the existing droplinks as they're not old. I normally have to hacksaw through both droplink bolts which is a pain (and destroys the droplink), so I'm hoping the nut splitter will be a lot easier.

Waiting for a fine day next week to do the job.

Question: The ARB must rotate in the bushes as the ARB arms are moved up and down by the strut/droplinks, so do I lubricate/grease the inside of the bushes? If so, I have heard that you have to be careful what grease you use on rubber? Is lithium grease OK?
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