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Old 22-02-2021   #16
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Re: 100hp enjoyed so far but has been tampered with previous owners...

The Fiat 1.2/60 is so under-stressed, you can thrash it all day long and it just shrugs it off.

Ditto the 900/40 used in Seicento.
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I nearly had to get a new engine as my car broke down with no oil, then I topped it up,
Any 2nd hand car and you should watch the oil consumption, i.e. be paranoid. There are few things more basic to car ownership than checking the oil. "No oil" should never happen to anyone who knows anything about cars unless there was a catastrophic failure.

It looks like you bought a car that was "pimped". Car manufacturers spend billions on R&D to design them right, why do people think Joe Bloggs down the road can do better? In some cases Joe Sixpack is smart and improves a car for niche appeal, but more likely something will be screwed up and this type of owner has likely also thrashed it.

Only buy that type of car for money you can afford to gamble or lose and you want a project.
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Re: 100hp enjoyed so far but has been tampered with previous owners...

Has the cam belt been changed on time?

I had a Punto HGT that I knew needed a cam belt. I used the car while waiting for parts to arrive and of course than cam belt failed 2 days later. I should have known better but for sure I wont make that mistake again.

The Panda 1.4 16V is NOT A SAFE ENGINE. If the belt fails you will bend valves and might well scrap the whole engine.
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Re: 100hp enjoyed so far but has been tampered with previous owners...

I had a Punto Mk2b Sporting from new in 2005 (same engine as Panda 100hp). I used to kick it's head in everyday, to be fair it got to 130k miles without any major problem except for the common gearbox issues when it was new. But I did look after it, new oil, filter every 6 months. New spark plugs every 10-12months.
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Don't think the op is coming back, maybe didn't like the advice.
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My 2010 1.2 with oh so very nearly 100k on the clock has needed almost no parts (just a thermostat, battery & a couple of sets of front brakes; the suspension is all original); but then again, it's never been driven above 2500 rpm all its life.
I like looking after, but boy are you missing out on the best part of this fantastic engine by not extending it. It doesn't start giving until 3600rpm and its so smooth I really don't think 5000 hurts it at all. I sold moine on at 106000 and it was till as smooth and quiet as on day one. That car now butchered and messed up was in nearly perfect condition with a comprehensive service history when sold. It was sad to see it failed MOT with a long list of stupid maintenance related issues that no doubt have killed it off. Its one car I REALLY wish I had kept. Selling it was a massive mistake.
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...this fantastic engine...
IMO in Euro 4 form, the 1.2 FIRE was probably the best engine Fiat ever produced, with a combination of reliability and real world economy that's up there with the very best.
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The exhaust manifold allows the engine to meet the fast warm up demands of today's emission rules but the pay-off is reduced performance and poorer fuel consumption.

I strongly suspect the tubular manifolds on eBay sold for the 1.2 16V would fit the 1.4. Those with integral catalyst will probably fail the mot, but a 4-2-1 with large underfloor cat would be clean and perform well.

They might be worth a punt for the cost of delivery. If it wont fit send it back.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-2-1-STA...oAAOSwj4RfLhXE

Insurance would need to know and a suitable cat will add to the cost.
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