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Re: My New 2009 100HP

In that case keep it standard. However eBay is handy.

This is the Fiat Coupe rear bump stop
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bump-Stop...kAAOSwFlpfGgYV

These are 500 rear springs complete with rubbers.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-500-...UAAOSwh-JeIGM-

Fitting them is remove two bolts (shock absorber tops) to lower the axle and swap the parts. Jack axle back up replace the bolts (be VERY careful they dont cross thread) and it's done. The hardest job is jacking up and securing the car for which garages have all the kit. The labour costs should be minimal.

By the way make sure the garage use slotted blocks on the sill jacking points. They have a welded flange along the bottom that many garages ignore so they get bent leading to rust and worse.
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I have a hockey Puck with a slot cut out of it for this precise reason!

No worries about asking stuff, just glad someone is taking an interest in what I do.

As for suspension I don't have a clue what the standard stuff feels like as the Eibach/Bilstein combo is what the car came with. All I know is its considerably more comfortable than my Golf ever was, but that was in the weeds on coilovers.

Anyways today I sorted a job I've been putting off for a while; the gear shifter seal.

Followed the guide on here and although I probably took much longer than I should have done it wasn't as bad as expected.

The seal was absolutely knackered though. It's definitely the source of my leak as everything around it is completely covered in grime. In hindsight it would have been so much easier just to wait and do my short shifter at the same time...

All back together now so that should be the end of it. I might jet wash off the crap at some point.

Just one thing, the bite on my clutch is now very low. I'm assuming this is because I took the slave cylinder off? Will it need bleeding? I can change gears fine, I just looked like a learner when I pulled away earlier and instantly stalled it

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Re: My New 2009 100HP

Wazzzer! I am fascinated by all your upgrades/repairs, all the more so as I am incapable of doing any of them at the moment.

So what are the Eibach/Bilstein combo springs like? I believe I have the standard ones fitted - I haven't actually looked, but from the less than smooth ride I'm getting, is a good guess! I've ordered the Febi bumpo stop and 500 springs as recommended by DaveMcT in an act of faith to improve the ride. I also added a chip box bought on eBay, as let's face it, the performance is hardly up to hot hatch expectations...however, without a base usage to gauge it by, I will have no idea if the performance is better by much or not.

I'm just collecting advice and knowledge, and appreciate any and all feedback to improve my little car!
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Re: My New 2009 100HP

It's a warm hatch If you want a hot hatch you'll need to get the Abarth 500. The 500 shares much of the chassis structure, suspension engine, etc with the Panda.
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Wazzzer it's likely you clutch needs bleeding. Annoyingly the battery and it's box have to come out to get at the job. The hydraulic pipe is held into the cylinders with little hair-pin clips ease them out with a screwdriver but be very careful they dont fly away.

You can then ease out the connector, clean up any corrosion and grease with red rubber grease. If it's seized (very likely at slave) you will eventually need a new cylinder. They can be as cheap as 30 so dont get ripped off. The bleed nipple is a standard metric allen hex but they corrode. You will need to properly clean out the hex before the key will fit. Mine had been butchered by someone too lazy to bother.

Looking on eBay Car parts4Less and Euro Car parts the master cylinder with pipe is silly money 175 and above. See my thread about clutch master only.
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A quick clutch slave cylinder bleed and all is well again.

the bleed nipple did absolutely nothing; a quick hiss of air and then fluid came out from around the bleed screw so that will do me. I see from various posts this is fairly common?

In other news I did manage to get the steering wheel controls on the A500 steering wheel to work with my Kenwood headunit. I had to make my own loom and find the correct pinouts but for 8 and some soldering I can't complain.

Next job is to get the front bumper off (again) to replace the leaking condenser and also swap out the feeble sounding standard horn for twin Hella style loud things.

PS, for anyone that cares (TBH I don't any more) our house move is still pending after 4 months...
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I hit a 3x2 on the M5, taking out two tyres and dinged the wheels. There where already a bit out-of-round but now they were properly **ed.

I fitted some Pepperpot steels and painted them with "stainless steel" colour. It's faded a bit so now looks almost the same as the Grigio grey body colour. I might waft over some lighter silver - maybe. They are low cost and do suit the car.

Tyres 195-50-R15 will fit and you'll have the speedo reading dead on correct. That extra side wall improves the ride and rough road impact abiity.

OEM springs on 100HP are simply cut down ordinary Panda springs making them appreciably harder. The OM bump stops are longer to limit body roll.

Febi bump stops sold for the Fiat Coupe do a better job and improve wheel travel. I also fitted Fiat 500 rear springs with the top rubber cushions on both ends. This considerably improves the ride and on less than perfect road improves the handling.

Front struts and rear dampers - with the budget, you can do what you like but avoid going for stiffer springs. My fronts will be getting OEM struts and 1.4 Fiat 500 springs. I got a pair cheap so if they dont work the OEM 100HP springs can go back on.

So my advice at the back is 500 springs with rubber buffers on top and bottom. Use shorter bump stops and fit 50 series tyres all round.
This is some really good advice!
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Brakes have also been massively overhauled; new red rear calipers and hoses to go with the discs and pads I replaced a few weeks ago and reconditioned red Alfa Romeo 147 calipers, new 284mm discs, pads and hoses up front.
Did the 147 calipers fit on the Panda carriers or did you use 147 carriers?
And....are the 284mm discs the standard size for the 100 or are they 147 sized?
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Did the 147 calipers fit on the Panda carriers or did you use 147 carriers?
And....are the 284mm discs the standard size for the 100 or are they 147 sized?
Everything was swapped over to the 147 setup: calipers, carriers, discs and pads. Hoses were the 100HP versions, just renewed.
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Everything was swapped over to the 147 setup: calipers, carriers, discs and pads. Hoses were the 100HP versions, just renewed.
Thanks, I'm assuming that to use the 147 calipers you have to use the larger discs?

Or does it work like this....

Std Panda discs = 147 calipers + Panda carriers
147 discs = 147 calipers + 147 carriers
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Second one is right.

The caliper design between the 147 and the Panda is completely different so you need the correct carrier for the caliper and also the correct disc.
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Second one is right.

The caliper design between the 147 and the Panda is completely different so you need the correct carrier for the caliper and also the correct disc.
Thanks, I'd best not get 147 calipers then as I've got some standard sized EBC pads and discs to pop on
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I have EBC's in combination with ATE racing brakefluid and mine stops pretty good

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I have pair of 147 calipers bought with the wrong (five hole) discs because the price was right. Im waiting for the 100HP discs to wear out before fitting them.

I would like a set of Alfa four pot calipers but from 400 used (and in need of overhaul) they ain't low cost. These are nice (probably)https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Rome...IAAOSwbuFfjbow
But the 310mm disc is definitely too big and it's a lot to spend and find they won't work with the 285mm Alfa 147 disc.
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I have pair of 147 calipers bought with the wrong (five hole) discs because the price was right. Im waiting for the 100HP discs to wear out before fitting them.

I would like a set of Alfa four pot calipers but from 400 used (and in need of overhaul) they ain't low cost. These are nice (probably)https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Rome...IAAOSwbuFfjbow
But the 310mm disc is definitely too big and it's a lot to spend and find they won't work with the 285mm Alfa 147 disc.
That's not a bad price for all 4 calipers, especially if it includes the carriers. Possibly overkill for a Panda though.
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