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Old 19-05-2018   #16
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

I imagine that vent hole is probably the same size as mine (first pic).
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Followed by 3 pics of the box I've made.
I chose to use 0.5 mm galvanised steel, it's more than strong enough when folded, apart from the fact that I had a piece won from a 1000 litre plastic oil tank that now contains rainwater.
The mesh isn't necessary, any type of grille would do, but as usual, I used what was lying around.
Hot glue or silicone sealant to seal the joints and some padded double sided tape to seal it when fixed in place with screws or pop rivets.
I'm still working on what to hold the filter in place, maybe an old modified barbie grill clipped on, or some windscreen wiper blade spring strips.

One important point to note is that the edge nearest to the dash is very narrow, so the base lip is around half the size of the other 3.

I decided that a pollen filter is OTT, so I've ordered a large dust filter for domestic A/C that can be cut to size, cost 5.
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

New leather gear knob fitted yesterday, I go bored with cleaning the old, sticky rubber one.
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

Great work SFB

And I'm loving the leather gear knob.

So, will that filter fit over the top of the intake aperture, or go inside?

It does look very like my intake from further back.
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

The filter box fits over the aperture after lots of jiggling and cutting down the back and about 3 cm of the sides because it was too high to put in.
It's highly unlikely, but IF I did it again, I'd make the base just big enough to fit over the intake aperture, with the upper section at the 220 x 170 mm size sat slightly higher to allow good air ingress.
If you decide to make one, I suggest you do it that way, plus triple checking clearance before making.

The other fail was that I fitted 3 layers of the very thin filter material which restricted airflow by a massive amount.
2 layers was also too much, but one layer is about perfect.
The material I bought from a company in Spain measures 290 x 460, enough to make 3 filters.
Ask Google for WPRO Dust filter for air conditioners and air purifiers, or similar, it's made for Whirlpool and other machines.
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

This photo appeared yesterday on the Fiat Tipo Argentina facebook forum.
I think it's the base of the box that the cabin filter fits into.
I'll try to get some info on it.

The owner is apparently bored changing the filter.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/fiat...0260103437639/
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

It looks like I over engineered it.
Here's a couple of pics of one from the Argentine Tipo forum:
Just a plain box with the filter sitting in it.
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

Quote Originally Posted by dante giacosa View Post
oh!

that's interesting, about the pollen filter...

I recently bought a filter from eBay for the 146 (which seems to be an identical ventilation plant) as the picture showed it in a frame, which looked like it would fit the intake, above the fan.

However, when it appeared; it was just a large filter, like an air filter, about the size of a piece of A5
Interesting subject. I orderered a part shown on Eper for the Tipo. As you can see it is designed to hold a cartridge filter and appears to resemble the equivalent hole in the scuttle. However annoyingly the unit is too high to fit in the space available !
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

Looks nearly right, jonti, but maybe this is closer, it appears to be a lot slimmer:
Parts N 20 and 21:
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

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Looks nearly right, jonti, but maybe this is closer.
Thanks for your help with this. Mine was part 4641214 so different again. It wasn't cheap so rather than risk it I may look for one off a scrap alfa 156 as they look to have the same arrangement and there are still some about.
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

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It wasn't cheap so rather than risk it I may look for one off a scrap alfa 156 as they look to have the same arrangement and there are still some about.
They're far from being cheap.
When mine needs a new filter I'll make one to that pattern, it will be easier than the one I made.
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

crikey!

'how deep does the rabbit hole go?!'

Those guys in Argentina fabricated that from galv steel. Looks like a piece of electrical trunking lid.

Ooh- you've really got the hooks in me now for a result.

Did you ever have the water cover for that intake SFB..?
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

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Did you ever have the water cover for that intake SFB..?
Of course and I've discovered how to remove and refit it easily.
The top comes out last, but goes in first.
Here's a pic of Tommo_2's, dare I say poorly fitted one.

And mine.
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

Right-

Yeah: that looks about correct.

I think I'm going to try for a filter frame that drops inside the mouth of the intake.

I need a good morning with access to metalwork stuff at work, but with the car scuttle panel removed at the same time.
I've had some major clear outs in that area before- in Scotland; you don't want the leaves and damp collecting in that spot. I taped up the intake aperture whilst washing it all out.
The 146 & Tipo are identical in this respect...
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

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Right-

Yeah: that looks about correct.

I think I'm going to try for a filter frame that drops inside the mouth of the intake.
Over complicated and harder to seal off.
The Argentinian method is much simpler and does the job.
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Re: After many modifications and lots of TLC:

Over complicated ? Maybe

Harder to seal off? Let's find out...

I always think; how would it have been done if it came out of the factory...

Admittedly: I've got a tendency to pursue over complicated solutions..!
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