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Panda My new Panda - and newbie saying hello from Denmark

Introduction

Hi all.

Long time reader, but first time poster. I post in this section, because I'm considering making a build thread for my little new Panda. (Mods - feel free to move)

So... I just got myself a very blue Fiat Panda from 2005. What a little funbox to drive around in I haven't had a fiat since my last Fiat 127 10 years ago, and it's like coming home almost. The genepool is very evident.

Here it is, right after i got it:



Well...It seems I can only post pictures after 5 posts (mods can you please free these up?)
Right click, and open in a new tab/window in the meantime

The body is completely rust free, which was a pleasant surprise!
Mechanicly it need a big makeover. Engine and box is fine, and it has 156.000km on it, just shy of 100k miles that is.

First thing I did was a good wash, and that helped a lot
I then relocated the numberplates, and got rid of the dealer frames, for a more minimalistic look. Already I was happy to be reminded of how easy small Fiats are to work on! The inside bootlid cover too under a minute to get of, and none of the clips broke, and it too even less to put it back on. A very nice change to the Peugeots and Renaults I have owned recently.

I changed the oil, and just like my Fiats in the old days, I swear I could feel the engine running a tad better, almost as if it said thank you haha

Then I went to fetch my old Fiat 850 5" steelies with 165/65r13, and tried them on. Incredible that they fit perfectly, although they do look a bit small.
They were stored for 8 years, and the tires are from 2003 :p
They havent rotted at all, but they have hardened alot, so there is very little grip from them. I will get new ones this summer.

A pic with them on:


And then a little photoshooping later, and pretty much a picture of what I plan to do to it:


On the photoshop picture, it is lowered by approx. 30mm. 40 would be better, but it will not be a "stanced" car. It has to earn it's keep by being a daily driver, plus I have a kinda crazy plan to race it a bit too, so it has to handle decently too.

Well that's it for my first post in here.
Greetings from me in Aarhus, Denmark
Brian.
@Pandaactiveman

Thanks, I think it looks pretty nice too, but hopefully I will get to the real fun stuff real soon, and change the looks more to my liking. Right now I'm looking to find a 6x14 steel rim with a smaller ET, in the same look as the 13s I have on - tough job.
Yeah the clutches are weak, and no wonder with those dimensions. They are only 180mm and the friction plate is narrow too. But 18000 miles :eek:
The first owner must have been quite the clutch rider.

Yeha a lot of people say that the car doesn't matter on the ring, and I think I will really put that claim to the test with a 60bhp car :D

And a great weekend to you too :)

It looks fantastic!! You might find it easier to find alloys in that size, but good luck on the steels front! I had not realised the clutches were that small, but as you say the first owner must have ridden it all the time, not good!!

The thing with the ring (or any circuit) is to enjoy driving your car and to get the most out of it and yourself. I have done several track days in the UK, admittedly not in the Panda, but the feeling you get when a corner just "comes together" is wonderful and the fun factor is huge! Just enjoy it!
 
bluaz That's a pretty big ask to be honest :p Sure I would consider making a tutorial, if I had to change a wheel bearing, but mine are still ok. I have had the rear ones off, and that was easy, and only one bolt holding it on. No need to use a puller or anything. If it is on the front, I would maybe not start there, if you haven't much experience in mending cars. Start with the easy stuff, and work your way up, and really use the great big internet for research! It's one of the biggest tools in my toolbox nowadays, that's for sure.

A3jeroen. Thanks for the tip.

The Pretender Yep, and I'm very happy to have one of them :)

Pandaactiveman Thanks, that was exactly my thoughts about it. Just enjoy the car, and get the best out of it and myself, and just have fun. And fun I had :D


It's been 8 days since I got home from my trip to the Nürburgring, and it seems like it was weeks ago already. I got bitten and I’ve become addicted (just as I knew I would be), and I can hardly wait for my next trip.
There were so many impressions to take in and so much adrenaline to burn off between drives, that it seemed like I was there for much longer than I actually was. I haven't had that feeling since I was a kid, and a summer seemed to last forever. Funny thing how time can stretch and bend when something exciting is happening to you.

I set off from Aarhus in the early hours Thursday morning, after a night of very little and very light sleep. I was a national holiday, so the roads were relatively free from traffic. I got an hours head start on the other six guys driving in four cars whom I was going with. I took it easy, and drove around 60mph, to get good fuel economy, and to save my money for laps on the ring. They caught up with me just in time for lunch and refueling, so that was perfect.

I reached the Nordschleife entry at 4 o’clock in the afternoon, when it was closed down after an accident. I met up with the others, and we just went for a stroll looking at the all the nice cars there, and resting a bit after 10 hours of driving.
Suddenly a loud horn sounded and the track was declared “ab sofort geöffnet” - immediately open. A sort of excited panic arose and people started running in all directions. It looked like women running to get a pair of reduced shoes, when a shop opens it’s doors for a sale, except the ones running were fully grown men! They were running for their cars, to be first in the inevitably long fast forming que to go on the track. That gave us a good laugh, and we joined the fun and set off to get our cars too.

My plan was to get a drive as a passenger first, to get some impressions of the track, before releasing the bear ;)
I chose to get a ride with the “slowest” cars in the little pack, and with a sensible driver, that I knew drove well, and wasn’t a "riskin’ it all" type of guy. He drives a 2014 320d chipped to 220bhp/million torques, and it’s pretty fast. It was on huge wheels with very low profile tires and hard lowering springs, but standard dampers. Not a good combo, so the rear end was bouncing all over the place.
I was more or less, well not in shock, but more amazed how tiny the track felt, compared to videos i've seen, and the games I drove it in. The corners were sharper, the distances shorter, and the track narrower - like it had shrunk 50%. What wasn’t so small though was the elevation changes, which were hugely bigger than I imagined. Needless to say, my mind struggled a bit with it all. The first lap made a huge impression, and It took me a good hour to burn of the adrenaline, and calm down again.
Here is the first lap - And yes, I’m the foolish looking bloke in the passenger seat



After that maiden round, I got a bit nervous, about taking the Panda out, and I was afraid that the suspension would be a rocking chair, and I would just go around with the indicator on all the time, letting people by.
I didn't get round to taking it out, as the driving for the day was suddenly over, and the ring closed down. After a good drive downhill with lots of hairpins and fun corners to Adenau, to get a bite to eat, it was getting late.
As I was the only one with no hotel room, I drove up to the track again, to transform the Panda into a motel for the night.
It was already dark, so I only searched for a good space to park for the night for half an hour or so. I didn't succeed, and just ended up on the huge grass parking spot by the nordschleife, which I had all to myself.

Done :)


I didn't sleep well that night, as the tension/excitement/nervousness was still there after not getting my first lap in the Panda that day. I woke up at 5 in the morning, and washed up inside the car, with water heated on a little gas cooker i brought along :)
A huge mug of freeze dried coffee, a banana, and half a bag of the finest gas station peanuts, I was as good as new, and ready for a full day of Nordschleife!

My morning view:


The plan was to start the driving as soon as the track opened. Sadly we were not the only ones with that idea, as the weather was perfect for all of that extended weekend, and people flocked to the track. I decided to wait a bit to drive, as I knew that I would be too busy letting people by, to get enough out of it.
I got another passenger lap in the 320d, and one in a 320bhp bmw 1 series. Bit faster, but not much more fun actually to my surprise - except the sound track!

After a couple of hours the traffic had gone down a bit, and it was finally time! Here is the video of my first lap. So nervous! Sorry about the very poor sound.



It was absolutely incredible! It's the most fun I had in years. Thinking back, it was one of the greatest experiences of my life, and as a petrol head without question the biggest.
The track almost instantly made sense again, when I was behind the wheel, and the panda just put my doubts to shame. It absolutely loved it, and although the suspension was soft, it wasn't saggy, and there were no panicky moments at all. When pushed too hard, it four wheel drifted, like it that was the most natural thing in the world to do :D
It didn't have a lot in it to battle the hills, and that was the downside to bringing a slow, or to be kinder, a momentum car to the ring, as a lot of corners were just on full throttle, and not really challenging at all. Thankfully the hills had a down side too, and the Panda really shined there, and the grin factor was huge.
So it really is true - it doesn't matter which car you bring to the ring; it's still fun!

In good company:



I did two more laps that day, and my best most fluid lap was my third. A second slower than my second and fastest lap 11:08, but only due to traffic.
I was very pleased with those times! considering that my ringtool was a 60bhp Panda with 165/65R13 michelin hollywood eco tires from 2003 no less :p



After getting the first lap nerves out of my system, I really enjoyed both the laps and everything in between that is happening in that place. The atmosphere is really something special. There is so much testosterone in the air, that girls could get pregnant just from walking a bit in the pits ;):p
There is a constant smell of oil and hot brakes, and the soundtrack of hundreds of cars revving their bolts off - amazing!

Before we left the track for the day, I gave the Panda a little check, up, and found that I definitely had pushed some limits a bit.
Can you call these tires semi-slicks, when you use the part with no thread? ;):D


We celebrated the day with very good food, beer and watching the videos of the day, in a fancy pancy hotel 35km away, where two of my mates decided to stay, due to driving an M3 with carbon fiber bits all over and 3000£ wheels.
This one:


There were still daylight left, so I found a better place for the night, and slept like a baby for 9 hours straight. Here is a few picture from that lovely place, with some sort of (hunters?) house on it, and a large ruin that looks like a ww2 bunker.



Next morning I managed to use my camp shower too. It's a black pvc bag that holds 20L of water. Hang it up in the morning sun, and enjoy a fresh luke warm shower, in the nicest view, after an hour (y)


The others guys did a couple of early laps and then drove off, to make it home early. I got a few more laps as a passenger including one in the carbon fiber M3. Jesus freak that was a fast car :eek::D
I decided not to rush, so I stayed to look at the cars, chat a bit with a few fellow addicts, and do my final lap of the weekend. That lap was very traffic/ yellow flag heavy, and I felt that i started to push my luck, and finally started my long drive home. I did a big shop in adenau nearby, and took it nice and slow on the way home, with lots of snacks and breaks when something interesting popped up.
The little Panda didn't miss a beat, and drives better than ever. On the trip home I did 55mpg, calculated with gps numbers, doing max 65mph. I love that little thing :hug:

To wrap this little story up, here's a few pictures of the Panda in heat, with a smile on it's face - and one on mine.
 
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Thanks for posting the photos of your trip and the video of your Panda on the track. Despite the slower speed it still went well and looked a lot of fun!
What a great little car they are where you can drive them hard on the road and have fun without doing crazy illegal speeds.
Thanks again, more please!
 
Thanks, and you're very welcome :) Happy you liked it.

Yeah, I was so surprised by that little thing, and what a nice trip it helped to give me.
It's a very good point you make about the speed. It's not so much the speed, but the sensation of driving, and the Panda really does well there (y)
That said, I must admit that I'm hungry for a bit more power now. I would like a 10 minute car at least, so I don't have to let so much traffic by all the time.
I'm considering a 100HP, but sadly Fiat made some short cuts on the suspension, and as result the inner front wheel will lift in tight corners, resulting in poor traction - not what you want.
I'm looking to get a hot hatch, where the inner REAR wheel lifts in corners, and you can help to steer the car on the throttle - Now that IS what you want, and it's so much fun :)

Hopefully I will be able to afford to keep the panda too...

I almost forgot the most important picture. The mighty beat proudly wearing it's new Nordschleife sticker :D
 
it's been a while, but I've done a few things since last time, even though I got a bit delayed by some things, including two punctures to the same tire, and the wise decision to thread my finger on my model aeroplane propeller :cry:

Sadly my motivation and enthusiasm also took a blow, as the lowering spring i bought second hand hasn't shown up. I bought then from a german guy on ebay kleinanzeigen, which is sort of a private add based form of ebay in Germnay. like craigs list to the americans, or gumtree to the brits, I guess. Paid 55 euros including postage, which was cheap, but as the guy just kept giving me the run around (including faking being hospitalised with two broken legs!), has now just stopped communicating completely, it's a relatively expensive set of ((thin)air) springs. I hate when people pull these sorts of things, and I hate spending my time trying to reason with them.

Sorry about the finger and German rip off con man.

I have Fiat 500 rear springs on my Panda 169. They lower the ride by about 25mm. I'd expect front springs to be much the same drop but get them from a 1200. The Twinair is lighter so the springs may well be too soft.
 
Thanks, and you're very welcome :) Happy you liked it.

Yeah, I was so surprised by that little thing, and what a nice trip it helped to give me.
It's a very good point you make about the speed. It's not so much the speed, but the sensation of driving, and the Panda really does well there (y)
That said, I must admit that I'm hungry for a bit more power now. I would like a 10 minute car at least, so I don't have to let so much traffic by all the time.
I'm considering a 100HP, but sadly Fiat made some short cuts on the suspension, and as result the inner front wheel will lift in tight corners, resulting in poor traction - not what you want.
I'm looking to get a hot hatch, where the inner REAR wheel lifts in corners, and you can help to steer the car on the throttle - Now that IS what you want, and it's so much fun :)

The Fiat 500 rear axle includes an anti roll bar with lower and softer springs than the Panda 169. It fits the Panda and seriously improves the handling. It would fit the 100HP but it's likely the wider wheels will need work on the wheel arches to avoid tyres rubbing metal. However the Dynamic steel wheel tyres are not even close to rubbing so the 100HP might be ok.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u187/Divi900/Panda axle/IMG_2704_zpsuiuo5see.jpg

The 500 has a front anti roll bar. It might be possible to use some of those components on the 169 Panda. I can't help directly so you'll need to visit car breakers with a tape measure and camera.
 
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Holy thread revival Batman!

Hi again all :) It's been quite a while, and I have still got my Panda, and it's still going strong - knock on wood.

The last time I updated this thread, I was more or less done with "restoring" it, and I felt I hadn't done much to it, so that's why I didn't post here anymore.
But... looking back over the last few months, I actually think there is more than enough for an update.

So, to start where I left off: I got addicted to the Nürburgring.
So something had to be done, and I thought of getting a 100HP, but they are massively expensive in Denmark, due to the rarity, and people thinking they are Lamborghinis. Also I always fancied a Mazda mx5, and have been looking for one for many years, but never could afford one - bear in mind Denmark is car price insane.

Luck would have it that the British pound devalued a lot, and I started searching, and after a few weeks found this one:





I found it at 1500£ at first which was too high, but at a grand it was very interesting. In the end I got it for 925, which was fair.
I agreed on the price before seeing the car, flew over to Brighton, and drove it home. I did pass both Spa francorchamps, and the Nürburgring and had a blast. I did two very careful laps in it, and it followed the Panda on reliability. Not a single thing went wrong on the way home.

It is an old car, and it needs a complete mini restoration, especially since I'm going to track it. It's a Japanese import. A 1993 1.8 Eunos Roadster with All the extras, including bass shakers in the seats! Limited slip differential being the most important one though :slayer:

Here is a few pictures from the trip:

A 1976 Autobianchi a112 with 30000km!!! Sweet!


Fiat 128 and Simca - both Rallye's :cool:


Eau Rouge. That thing is speep!


New friends! Spent an entire day with them.


How lucky am I to run into an mx5 club at the ring?!


My kind of morning view :)


The obligatory ring forrest shower with complimentary fern leaves mat :D


Safely home again (y)


This is how the car sits now, and restoration is full underway. on a side note, I payed 2170£ to make it a Danish car, which was a bargain by Danish standards - Just ridiculous :mad:




Well, enough about that, and back to the Panda. Actually I will have to do a rain check on that one, as I have to repair my wiring harness on the Panda right now, while there is still daylight. A wire burned out by a connector, causing the left headlight not to work. More Panda related stuff coming up next time soon :)
 
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