Yeh much simpler here I think. That over booster model is most intriguing.

Barcellos said:

It such a great thing to have a Bravo Club here, almost every month we meet and it's a great experience exchange, just like Fiat Forum, but only with Bravo owners.

Yeah, I think this colors work very well on Bravo and I woud love to buy a Interlagos Yellow T-JET!

Here the ride hight is higher then there because a great part of our streets are "provided" with broken asphalt, so if it's too low, the underside will scrape a lot! Of course it looks kinda crappy, but we have to be happy with it (or install H&R/Eibachs ). So Essence and Absolute have high hights and Sporting and T-JET are 20 mm lower.

If you pay attention, mine is lower than convetional Essence and Absolute and as low as Sporting and T-JET (you can note it on that photo that my car is between a Interlagos Yellow Sporting and a Scandium Grey Essence, both of them running in OEM suspension). The reason for it is that it's with T-JET suspension, what means lower car, greater looking and super-greater stability!! Thats the only mod in my car!

BTW: is our T-JET as low as yours? I think so, but I'm not sure!

WOW! I thought cars there in United Kingdon were cheaper! Here we have lots and lots and lots of taxes and cars here become really expensive! The imported ones get even worse. You see: a brand new Ferrari California is sold here for some like 350,000 British Pounds. I think that only brand new cars built in our Nations can be compared. Imported ones and pre-owned ones are more expensive here.

Now that you mentioned it, let me share a experience with you. Most of Brazilian people think that Fiat only produces cheap cars and if they have to choose for exemple between a Mk2 Focus or a Mk2 Bravo, a Mk2 i30 or a Mk2 Bravo, most of them would by the Hyundai or the Ford! IDK the reason for the prejudice...

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I'm not in the UK, I live in morocco we also have the linea here

But the linea is not in the same class as the bravo, it's a cheap car with the cheap old punto interior. Tacky and low quality compared to the bravo.

According to your pics, some models of the bravo are still available with the chrome headlights?

Matthewr1990 said:

Yeh much simpler here I think. That over booster model is most intriguing.

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Let me explain to you... IDK if there in Europe T-JET models have this thing, but it's pretty simple. In the dashboard, instead of "City" buttom, there is a "OVB" (Overbooster) buttom. It raises the turbocompressor pressure from 0.9 bar to 1.3 bar and stiffens the steering wheel, for a sportier driving. Look at the engine number and what "OVB" (red line) does.

Tad-bravo said:

I'm not in the UK, I live in morocco we also have the linea here

But the linea is not in the same class as the bravo, it's a cheap car with the cheap old punto interior. Tacky and low quality compared to the bravo.

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Marocco? My team was playing soccer there this month! Atlético Mineiro, the Ronaldinho's team, do you know?

Linea here is still with old Grande Punto interior, such worse than Bravo's, but here this interior is well-finished, with good-fitting great materials. Of course it's a little bit cheaper than Bravo (if you compare both Absolute E.TorQ 1.8 16V Flex Dualogic top spec, Bravo costs 24,900 Euros and Linea 21,800 Euros) and doesn't have the coloured display, Xenon Headlights, front parking sensor, auto-folding external mirrors, tire pressure measure, Skydome and the 18' options, but they are kinda of the same class.

If you look below on the classes, we have Grand Siena (based on our Mk5 Palio, completely revised for 2012) and below it we have regular Siena (based on our Mk4 Palio).

Just for you to know, our Mk1 Siena is equal yours and Mk2 and Mk3 Siena is almost the same car as Mk2 and Mk3 Albea (but our rear end is different and our car is smaller).

So Siena is bad-finished, Grand Siena is midway and Linea is great but not as great as Bravo!

Tad-bravo said:

According to your pics, some models of the bravo are still available with the chrome headlights?

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Yes... The "regular" trims (Essence and Absolute) are just avaible with chrome headlights and the "sporty" (Sporting and T-JET) trims are only availble with black headlights.

Barcellos said:

Marocco? My team was playing soccer there this month! Atlético Mineiro, the Ronaldinho's team, do you know?

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Yes my town's team beat them in the semifinals

Sorry

Tad-bravo said:

Yes my town's team beat them in the semifinals

Sorry

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Chill out!

Don't remember me that shameful episode... The shame wasn't lose for Raja, but not reach the finals... Raja is such a great team and I was cheering it against Bayern...

BTW did you see Ronaldinho's beautiful goal?

nope, I actually hate the team. the streets are full of hooligans whenever they play.
I didn't check the tournament until i heard they reached the final!

Tad-bravo said:

nope, I actually hate the team. the streets are full of hooligans whenever they play.
I didn't check the tournament until i heard they reached the final!

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That's really bad. I deslike the team (despite it's quality) just because of the game, but I didn't know about these folks...

I would do bad things to that white bravo LOL. Its just beautiful.

On a more serious note, It's actually impressive how the Fiat line up is completely different over there in Brazil. Since its a relatively new car to you and since fiat don't seem on launching a replacement in the current millennium I think its only fair that they fit the bravo with C635 dual clutch gearbox instead of the dualogic. The single clutch automated manual is simply no match for the dual clutch offering, and the c635 is actually as good as if not better than the DSG and the Powershift , having tried both.

That yellow is just amazing! Suits the bravo so well, the best colour for it! If I ever change the colour of mine I know what I'm getting!

KHALED25 said:

I would do bad things to that white bravo LOL. Its just beautiful.

On a more serious note, It's actually impressive how the Fiat line up is completely different over there in Brazil. Since its a relatively new car to you and since fiat don't seem on launching a replacement in the current millennium I think its only fair that they fit the bravo with C635 dual clutch gearbox instead of the dualogic. The single clutch automated manual is simply no match for the dual clutch offering, and the c635 is actually as good as if not better than the DSG and the Powershift , having tried both.

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Yes it is! Our linup is the following:



Mille (reestyled Mk1 Uno): It's the basic model here since 1983! Hhahahah It's production will stop late this month because Airbag and ABS will get mandatory here from next January. The model in the photo is Grazie Mille (thank you very much in italian), a limited edition to celebrate it's end.



Palio F.I.R.E Economy: It's the Mk3 Palio (basically a Mk1 Palio reestyled, that BTW is a simplified Mk1 Punto), sold only with the F.I.R.E 999 cc 8V Flex and it's getting Mille's place as basic car.





Novo Uno/Cargo: It was a entirely new project lauched in middle-2010, it's the entry-car, and can be equipped with the F.I.R.E 999 cc 8V Flex or the F.I.R.E 1.4 8V Flex.



Novo Palio: Other entirely new project, lauched in late-2011, sold with both F.I.R.E 1.0 and 1.4 8V Flex and the high-tech E.TorQ 1.6 16V Flex



Siena EL: It's the Mk4 Siena (a Mk4 Palio Saloon that is a Mk1 Palio Saloon reestyled that BTW is a simplified Mk1 Punto Saloon). Can be equipped with the F.I.R.E 999 cc 8V Flex or the F.I.R.E 1.4 8V Flex.



Grand Siena: It's another entirely new project, based on Novo Palio. Sold with both F.I.R.E 1.0 and 1.4 8V Flex and the high-tech E.TorQ 1.6 16V Flex.



Strada: It's the Mk5, but it's a Mk1 Strada reestyled despite to Grand Siena and Novo Palio. It has the Crew Cab with third door avaible as option and can be equiped with F.I.R.E 1.4 8V Flex and the high-tech E.TorQ units (1.6 and 1.8) 16V Flex. The Adventure trim is powered with the Locker differential, that is almost the same as 500L Trekking's system.



Palio Weekend: It's the Mk4 (a reestyled Mk1 Palio Weekend) and I think Mk1 and Mk2 were sold there. Can be equiped with F.I.R.E 1.4 8V Flex and the high-tech E.TorQ units (1.6 and 1.8) 16V Flex and the Locker system (when Adventure trimmed).



Cinquecento: the Polish one was sold here from 2009 to 2011(with Panda 100HP's engine and 6-speed manual or 5-speed Dualogic) and since this date we have the American model, equipped with both F.I.R.E EVO 1.4 8V Flex and the F.I.R.E Multiair 1.4 16V Flex (with just 5-speed manual or Dualogic and 6-speed Aisin automatic gearbox).



Punto EVO: Now it's the same car as yours but with another engines and it's sold ONLY as a 5-door model! The avaible engines are F.I.R.E EVO 1.4 8V Flex, the high-tech E.TorQ units (1.6 and 1.8) 16V Flex and the powerful 1.4 16V Turbo T-JET 150 HP (on the sportiest model, T-JET, that is basically a 5-door Abarth Punto EVO with C510 instead of C635).





Idea: It's the same as yours, but from middle-2011 reestyled and with Mk4 Palio's interior. Can be equiped with F.I.R.E 1.4 8V Flex and the high-tech E.TorQ units (1.6 and 1.8) 16V Flex and the Locker system (when Adventure trimmed).





Dobló/Cargo: It's the same as yours first reestyled one. Can be equiped with F.I.R.E 1.4 8V Flex and the high-tech E.TorQ 1.8 16V Flex and the Locker system (when Adventure trimmed).



Linea: The same as lauched on East Europe, not the new Turkish one. It can be equipped only with the E.TorQ 1.8 16V Flex and the 1.4 16V Turbo T-JET 150 HP from MY-2009 to MY-2012



Bravo: It's explained!! Hahahah



Freemont: The same as yours, but with a 2.4 16V Chrysler-powered engine. We have here the Dodge Journey too (the only market that both are sold), but this one comes only with the powerful Pentastar 3.6 V6!



Fiorino: It's sold here since it was based on Fiat 147 (yours 127, back in late-70's). It was based on Uno them and now it's based on Novo Uno. Can be equipped only with the F.I.R.E EVO 1.4 8V Flex.



Ducato Passenger/Multi/Cargo: It's that old commercial vehicle, ours is yours Mk3 and sold as Peugeot Boxer and Citroen Jumper as well. It's sold only with the 2.3 Multijet engine.

About the gearboxes, all the models, least Cinquecento (actually this one IDK, the polish hadn't the C510 but the American IDK) and Ducato are equipped with the C510 manual and Dualogic (Mille, Novo Uno, Palio F.I.R.E, Siena EL and Dobló can be equipped only with the manual option).

KHALED25 said:

I would do bad things to that white bravo LOL. Its just beautiful.

On a more serious note, It's actually impressive how the Fiat line up is completely different over there in Brazil. Since its a relatively new car to you and since fiat don't seem on launching a replacement in the current millennium I think its only fair that they fit the bravo with C635 dual clutch gearbox instead of the dualogic. The single clutch automated manual is simply no match for the dual clutch offering, and the c635 is actually as good as if not better than the DSG and the Powershift , having tried both.

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About Bravo... It's a realatively new model here. Cruze Sport6 (the hatch one) was realesed here in 2011 along with old Peugeot 308 and late this year Golf Mk7 and Focus Mk3 arrivied here, almost together too. Now our market is like the European (least new 308, new C4 and Mégane), but I DO think that Bravo only can be beat by Golf GTi and Focus RS (the last one isn't sold here).

They recentelly realesed Fiat Ottimo and it would be very great if they rebadge it, call it Bravo again and lauch here and there. It's modern and sahres platform with Jeep Cherokee, Dodge Dart and Alfa Romeo Giulietta, lighter, safer and stiffer than Bravo, uses Multilink rear suspension. It has all to beat all it's rivals (leaving Golf GTi/R and Focus RS for Giulietta to take care). Can you imagine a Ottimo with a 1.4 16V Turbo T-JET Multiair with 180 BHP and 270 nm + C635 DCCT? 0-100 km/h close to 7 seconds and top speed close to 230 km/h! Amazing!

But if instead, Fiat keep Bravo, it would be great to recieve both T-JET Multiair 165 HP instead of our conventional 150 HP + C635 DCCT, it would stimulate the sales that aren't very well at the moment: last November only 500 Bravos were sold, while 1714 Cruze Sport6 (the class leader) were sold. That's only one third, what keeps Bravo below Cruze Sport6, Focus (that until late this year was a Mk2), Golf (that until late this year was a Mk4 reestyled, the canadian City Golf) and 308, and above i30, C4 and Veloster.

Cheers!

Rigby said:

That yellow is just amazing! Suits the bravo so well, the best colour for it! If I ever change the colour of mine I know what I'm getting!

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I think so! I'm planning to buy a T-JET and the first rquirement is that it must be a top spec. About the colour, I'd like to own a Maserati Blue, a Interlagos Yellow, a Modena Red or a Banchisa White, but all the top spec ones that I found are Banchisa White, so maybe it will be white!

BTW... Don't you have white over there? Because most of you are think the white T-JET beautiful!

Barcellos said:

I think so! I'm planning to buy a T-JET and the first rquirement is that it must be a top spec. About the colour, I'd like to own a Maserati Blue, a Interlagos Yellow, a Modena Red or a Banchisa White, but all the top spec ones that I found are Banchisa White, so maybe it will be white!

BTW... Don't you have white over there? Because most of you are think the white T-JET beautiful!

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Yes I Have a white, not sure on specific white, 2.0 M-Jet Sport, if you look through my threads you will find pictures of it. I do really like the white but love the yellow and Masarati Blue.

Rigby said:

Yes I Have a white, not sure on specific white, 2.0 M-Jet Sport, if you look through my threads you will find pictures of it. I do really like the white but love the yellow and Masarati Blue.

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Wow, so that's a cool engine! In a cool trim! Congratulations! Is it fitted to the C635 6-speed gearbox?

I use to say that's there's no bad colour for Bravo, it's a unique design that's fits well in every dress!

Barcellos said:

About Bravo... It's a realatively new model here. Cruze Sport6 (the hatch one) was realesed here in 2011 along with old Peugeot 308 and late this year Golf Mk7 and Focus Mk3 arrivied here, almost together too. Now our market is like the European (least new 308, new C4 and Mégane), but I DO think that Bravo only can be beat by Golf GTi and Focus RS (the last one isn't sold here).

They recentelly realesed Fiat Ottimo and it would be very great if they rebadge it, call it Bravo again and lauch here and there. It's modern and sahres platform with Jeep Cherokee, Dodge Dart and Alfa Romeo Giulietta, lighter, safer and stiffer than Bravo, uses Multilink rear suspension. It has all to beat all it's rivals (leaving Golf GTi/R and Focus RS for Giulietta to take care). Can you imagine a Ottimo with a 1.4 16V Turbo T-JET Multiair with 180 BHP and 270 nm + C635 DCCT? 0-100 km/h close to 7 seconds and top speed close to 230 km/h! Amazing!

But if instead, Fiat keep Bravo, it would be great to recieve both T-JET Multiair 165 HP instead of our conventional 150 HP + C635 DCCT, it would stimulate the sales that aren't very well at the moment: last November only 500 Bravos were sold, while 1714 Cruze Sport6 (the class leader) were sold. That's only one third, what keeps Bravo below Cruze Sport6, Focus (that until late this year was a Mk2), Golf (that until late this year was a Mk4 reestyled, the canadian City Golf) and 308, and above i30, C4 and Veloster.

Cheers!

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I have just found out about more Fiat models now than ever in my entire life haha! The only that kinda confuses me is why they launch it so late, but maybe it has to do with the different engines being developed specially for the Brazilian market. Even then, its kind of weird how the new c635 is only fitted to the 500 and not any other model despite its superiority in many ways over the dualogic.
I think you shouldn't compare the bravo to the latest focus or golf since its almost 6 years older . It was so much better than the ones released back then when it first came out. I kinda can't get over the solid axle suspension at the back though haha. Still, if you want the Multi-air engine with 170HP and a 6-speed dual clutch gearbox, you're gonna have to go for the Giulietta which has just been renewed as well.

KHALED25 said:

I have just found out about more Fiat models now than ever in my entire life haha! The only that kinda confuses me is why they launch it so late, but maybe it has to do with the different engines being developed specially for the Brazilian market. Even then, its kind of weird how the new c635 is only fitted to the 500 and not any other model despite its superiority in many ways over the dualogic.
I think you shouldn't compare the bravo to the latest focus or golf since its almost 6 years older . It was so much better than the ones released back then when it first came out. I kinda can't get over the solid axle suspension at the back though haha. Still, if you want the Multi-air engine with 170HP and a 6-speed dual clutch gearbox, you're gonna have to go for the Giulietta which has just been renewed as well.

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Living and learning!! Hahah

Fiat has a almost exclusive line-up in Brazil, and that's good and bad! Good for the new models such as Grand Siena and Novo Palio and bad for that old models such as Mk1 Uno, sold here for something as 30 years!

One point in your post I don't understad: C635 is fitted to our 1.4 16V Turbo T-JET 150 HP powered as well. To be fair, the Polish Ciquentos sold here in Brazil, came only with Panda's 100HP engine and C514 gearbox, in both 6-speed manual and 5-speed Dualogic options. IDK about the mexican-built one (sold here now).

Bravo is this old but not this worse! You see, Mk3 Focus shares it's platform with the old Mk2 one, that did 0,99 g (lateral acceleration, according to Quattroroute megazine). Just what Bravo M-Jet 165 HP did, despite to it's technical worse rear suspesion!

Yes, I want both the T-JET Multiair and C635 TCT, but Giulietta is not sold here yet! I still think that if Brazilian-built Bravo start using Abarth Punto's, wich's output is 165 BHP and 250 nm and C635 TCT option, it's gonna sell lots and lots more... I'd say something as twice (passing from 500/month to 1,000/month).

Barcellos said:

One point in your post I don't understad: C635 is fitted to our 1.4 16V Turbo T-JET 150 HP powered as well. To be fair, the Polish Ciquentos sold here in Brazil, came only with Panda's 100HP engine and C514 gearbox, in both 6-speed manual and 5-speed Dualogic options. IDK about the mexican-built .

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By that I meant the TCT gearbox, not the manual one. sorry to confuse you.
You see the problem is that fiat's been terribly stagnant for a while now in this part of the world (Europe-North Africa), and its not releasing any new models. Also, having the same engine and transmission line up across the fiat and alfa brands would probably be a good idea (just ask VW). All in all, there's just no reason why there has been nothing new coming out of the brand lately. I've been checking the Fiat UK website or almost 4 years now and everytime its the same cars.