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Sorry. Back on topic I'm looking at a Bravo T-jet in my local breakers as a potential donor for my next Panda. The trouble is all the crap that comes with it. ABS this and limp mode that. Is there a stand alone ecu option from the Panda 100hp that could be adapted to run boost. I'd like to be able to splice the loom and keep it as simple as possible. As soon as the factory ecu notices sensors are missing it'll never run properly again.

It's a Bravo 150 t-jet six speed. I was hoping to lift the lump and box in one go as I'm pretty certain the Panda five speed won't like it much.

Failing that I have a far simpler Bravo HLX with a GenIII 128 engine and 16V head. Unlike the Punto HGT and Barchetta the Bravo has conventional power steering and AC so I can bin those pumps and fit a low boost supercharger from a BMW MINI and injectors from a Fiat Coupe to get the air/fuel ratio back on track.

Compared to the 1.4 turbo weight and space will be the issues but toque and simplicity the advantage. The GenIII 128 should have the drive flange for an X-1/9 distributor so I could in theory bin the injectors completely and use bike carb's if there isn't enough room for forced induction.

What do you guys think?
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You'd be best with a blow through turbo set up using a self balancing carb' (a sealed SU or Renault 5 GT one) and a small turbo from a Smart car. Make an adapter plate to go from the standard manifold to the Smart turbo or if you can weld cast iron cut the flanges of both manifolds and weld the two together. An oil feed kit from the pump at the filter to feed the turbo using a universal oil cooler kit should be enough. Also with boost you won't get a vacuum to advance the distributor so some kind of pointless conversion or black box dizzy conversion may be required.

When the 769 explodes you can upgrade any of the FIRE engine range but keep the 750 gearbox as the ratio's are awesome.
You're quoting something I wrote nearly 3 years ago, I did look into it at the time, it would've been quite expensive and fruitless really because it would've never been powerful, fun yes but not powerful. Anyway I don't own the car anymore so no turbo 750 for me
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You're quoting something I wrote nearly 3 years ago,
Ooops. I thought it was your joining up date.


Still who was the kid who wanted to put a K&N filter on a 750? He might find it useful.
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Thanks. It wasn't easy, kind of obvious once you know, but took ages to figure out all the wiring and ended up just ignoring quite a few wires in the end as I just couldn't find them in diagrams. The Seicento wiring diagrams were good (a CD I got off eBay a few years ago) but seemed not to show all the wires on the ECU. The Stilo diagrams were from this file I found from Googling for a while. fiat_stilo_multilenguaje.zip
Google that file name and you'll find it for download.
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Re: Classic Panda 100HP Sleeper

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Sorry. Back on topic I'm looking at a Bravo T-jet in my local breakers as a potential donor for my next Panda. The trouble is all the crap that comes with it. ABS this and limp mode that. Is there a stand alone ecu option from the Panda 100hp that could be adapted to run boost. I'd like to be able to splice the loom and keep it as simple as possible. As soon as the factory ecu notices sensors are missing it'll never run properly again.

It's a Bravo 150 t-jet six speed. I was hoping to lift the lump and box in one go as I'm pretty certain the Panda five speed won't like it much.

Failing that I have a far simpler Bravo HLX with a GenIII 128 engine and 16V head. Unlike the Punto HGT and Barchetta the Bravo has conventional power steering and AC so I can bin those pumps and fit a low boost supercharger from a BMW MINI and injectors from a Fiat Coupe to get the air/fuel ratio back on track.

Compared to the 1.4 turbo weight and space will be the issues but toque and simplicity the advantage. The GenIII 128 should have the drive flange for an X-1/9 distributor so I could in theory bin the injectors completely and use bike carb's if there isn't enough room for forced induction.

What do you guys think?
Do you want to start a new thread with this contents so it can be discussed there? Seems like lots of very specific questions as well as general. If you throw in a shout to @lewey, I'll chime in.
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Thanks. It wasn't easy, kind of obvious once you know, but took ages to figure out all the wiring and ended up just ignoring quite a few wires in the end as I just couldn't find them in diagrams. The Seicento wiring diagrams were good (a CD I got off eBay a few years ago) but seemed not to show all the wires on the ECU. The Stilo diagrams were from this file I found from Googling for a while. fiat_stilo_multilenguaje.zip
Google that file name and you'll find it for download.
Stilo eLearn also available from FiatForum:
https://www.fiatforum.com/downloads....downloadid=345

I presume you have retained the body ECU and the canbus connections between them and junked anything that doesn't look like it goes to engine ECU? Have you managed to keep the dash working?
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Thanks @lewey if I get the project up and running I'll be sure to let you all know. I have a black Panda van and Coupe' 16V turbo restoration to go with my Fantasia and when the Bravo runs out of M.O.T I imagine there's more work to do there.
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Very impressive, and love the footage !
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