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Punto (Mk1) Mk1 Punto GT 2l 16VT

Introduction

Right, thought I would stick this up here as some may be interested.

Following on from this thread, you can read the transformation from standard to where she was before the conversion.

http://www.puntosports.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=75783


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Anyway, here we go.

I started this way back before Xmas, and now Im finally getting somewhere. Due to working a lot and various other factors, I havent been able to work on this as much as I would like. That is now going to change.

Anyway, what now seems a long, long time ago, I did some research into the famous 2 litre conversion and decided, **** it, Im bored with my GT atm Ill gove it a go. There was nothing wrong with my GT as it was, I just wanted to go further without tuning the reasonably unreliable 1.4. So I decided to tune the reasonably unreliable 2l 16vt instead!

I bought a complete Fiat Coupe 16vt that had rear end damage, on 80k. The seller had started to break it, but then decided to get the rear sorted and track it. This meant he had to get replacement parts for the bits he sold, which has meant I get loads of brand new parts with it. It cost me £350, got it towed from Cambridge (I think) down to Sheppey, where Dean and Dan (from PSC) had agreed to help me out!

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The day I picked it up it was bloody cold and snowy as you can see! Trekking up to pick it up in the GT was interesting as it was being used as a snowplough on most roads.

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As far as I can remember it was about three weeks before we stripped it in a day and had it shipped off to the scrappers. Left the gear linkage in the car though!
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If in doubt, get the grinder out!!

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During all this, we were being watched like hawks....
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We continued...

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and this was decided to be a little dangerous to do!
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Spanking new cooler...

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Warning! Dont attempt to poke the sprung fuel filler cap with a ratchet with extension bar on it. Dean found this out, and was very lucky not to lose it!

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After a day of hard graft, she was dragged up the transporter on her bare ass, scraping all the way....

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And that was the stripping day done. Was hard work, but was well worth it.

The engine from my GT also came out around this time and was sold.

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his profile says he's not been online since 2014 guys, not likely to get an answer..

by far not the first one though, i don't think it would be that bad - its a big ol engine yes - but the GT engine is very very heavy for a 1.4 as well. Its not an upgrade i'd do now though - Tjet would make far more sense, easily make as much power if not more and it would be lighter than stock GT probably.
 
his profile says he's not been online since 2014 guys, not likely to get an answer..

by far not the first one though, i don't think it would be that bad - its a big ol engine yes - but the GT engine is very very heavy for a 1.4 as well. Its not an upgrade i'd do now though - Tjet would make far more sense, easily make as much power if not more and it would be lighter than stock GT probably.

GT engine is heavy and 16vt is heavier for sure, but how much I dont know.

I believe TJET doesnt make more torque than 16vt (1.4 vs 2.0). Lets face it, TJET its a FIRE 1.4 engine witch have a turbo. Of course its not a bad engine :)
 
well a stock 150hp tjet makes about 205Nm or 150ft.lb

the coupe 2.0 16vt is about 195bhp and 295Nm or 218ft.lb

GT engine (a gt1 not a gt3, almost same but not quite) is 136bhp with 208Nm or 153ft.lb

So yeah the 2.0 16vt is more powerful and more torque-y - no real surprises there, it being a 2.0 and the GT and Tjet being 1.4. But these are just out the box figures. My point is you get a tjet, stick a nice manifold on it and un uprated turbo and few little bits and they can make more power and torque than a coup 2.0 16vt easily and on top of that it would be lighter. I don't have actual weights of engines but bear in mind the 2.0 16vt engine is a cast iron block and was a pretty old engine when they dropped it in the coup, the GT engine i can tell you from first hand experience is damn heavy and was also already an old engine design when fitted to the punto. The tjet is really quite modern, yes based on a design from absolutely ages ago also but block material has changed from the older ones, I can move a tjet engine on my own by hand. OK i can't just lift it up like its nothing and if i did it alot i would prob hurt myself but i can lift one without a crane or pretty easily move one about.

Also when you consider the mk1 comes with FIRE based engines, all you would need to do is get some engine mounts for a fire engined mk1 and bolt them to a tjet and it would bolt right in the car. I mean it almost seems silly to consider another engine now, particularly as tjets are starting to become available for reasonable money now.
 
grande punto and bravo have them, not sure what else if anything.

end of the day, all the tjets are pretty much the same, not exactly the same, but pretty much the same. most of them have the same turbo etc and most differences come from the ecu side of things. I believe, and i have a big document on tjet engines i not read yet which would confirm or not, that some tjets have different pistons and rods, namely the abarth cars. But i do not profess to be a tjet expert! But from that point of view if you are getting one to drop into a mk1 it wouldn't really matter hugely which exact engine as you would have a huge job making it run on the stock ecu, it would be alot easier and prob cheaper to run it off aftermarket management, thus meaning you are gonna map it and thus meaning you could swap out turbos and things as it would be properly mapped when finished.
 
the bad thing about Tjet engine is the fact its just 1.4 and that´s a shame :( And I believe there isnt any stroker kit for them
 
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mmmm stroker, pass dunno... but there is a huge aftermarket support for the engine, there is very little you could think of that someone has not already thought of and done to one. Plenty of 300+bhp ones out there and I honestly think thats probably more than you would ever need in a car as light as a mk1 punto.
 
mmmm stroker, pass dunno... but there is a huge aftermarket support for the engine, there is very little you could think of that someone has not already thought of and done to one. Plenty of 300+bhp ones out there and I honestly think thats probably more than you would ever need in a car as light as a mk1 punto.

Exacly too much torque on in wouldnt be good anyway. Abarth Lightweght 1.4 turbo and easy swap (electronic?)... sounds good. One day maybe :)
 
So, found out that this car doesn´t exist anymore. Sold by parts and scrap it :/

I dont know why people make this kind of swap (16VT) and then sell scrap them.
 
well alot of the time its because they want/need the most amount of money back and modded cars are 99.9% of the time worth more in bits.

Sometimes cars just get a bit rotten so makes sense to break them up.

Sometimes the person who built it would rather take it apart and sell the bits than let someone else have the car, some think that is selfish but i get it.

I think in most cases its not such a bad thing, its just a shame when a car is broken and scrapped when the car itself is rare or getting rare and is solid. Last post on this car here was 7 years ago, anything could have happened between then and now, could've been in a bump, could just be rusty. It was a very cool car but ultimately at this point i think ones like my old one that are bone stock are gonna be worth way more than a engine swapped one.
 
I saw the car had oil pressure problem and the owner dont want to restore the engine and decide to buy a Coupe 16vt. That way I understand :)
 
The 16V Turbo vs 1.4 SuperFIRE Turbo is a good debate.

If you were starting from a Sporting the Bravo 1.4 T-Jet would be a straight swap and should fit the Punto box. Personally I would go for a five speed over the later six as it's a stronger unit.

I've been looking at Bravo 150's recently as a semi-grown up daily driver with Panda donor potential if anything were to go wrong. Complicated electrics and apart now the engine is in the 124 Spider tuners at looking at making silly numbers. 230bhp with the standard turbo swapped for a Precision one in America already.

The 16V Turbo would be my choice if anything were to happen to my GT but given the choice (on my driveway at least) I would drop the Coupe engine into my Bravo HLX and make the car Fiat should have but didn't because of the Lancia Delta HPE of the same period. The Bravo HLX is basically the same unit they used in the mk2 Punto HGT so I could drop that in my GT with no real issues.

I swear it's as if the Fiat modular platforms are like Russian Dolls.

If you want to build it or want a very, very good engine for your project both my Bravo and Coupe are in the classifieds. ;)

https://www.fiatforum.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=34309&cat=25
 
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