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Old 21-02-2006   #16
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Re: So which is better? petrol V JTD

20v has a glorious note to it.

Not going against anyone else's views, but the 20v 147 pulls well from low revs - i.e. will do 20mph in 5th if you have to, but pulls well from 1750 revs to 6500+. VVT kicks in about 3750 judging by the seat of the pants.
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With the diesel you get all that torque DOWN LOW in the rev range, peak torque is usually below 2000 RPM and it stays pretty close to that to somewhere past 3000 were the horsepower starts to make itself felt. Petrol engines have their torque peaks much higher up the scale, say between 4000 and 5000 and the peak is usually just that, a peak rather than a plateau like a turbo diesel usually has. Hey, drive it, you'll like it!
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no contest. petrol would eat the digger version all the way to top speed mate. without a shaddow.

the digger will have more torque, but then, when are u ever goin to be pulling ur caravan up a really steep hill? (which is exaclty what a digger estate is only good for )

if on the JC in 5th, the digger will have more torgue, but just cog the 20v down to 4th and u'll be laughing!

20v all the way matey cos only being 18, ur along way from ur pipe and slippers yet!

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MJTD, that the new Multi-Jet version of the JTD engine.

I wonder if the new Grande Punto is wide enough under the bonnet for the 2.4 to fit. The 2.4 is a five cylinder inline engine, so it may not be able to go in there. 200 HP and 400Nm of torque in a car that size.....Holy Hippopotamus, that would be quick!!!
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Re: So which is better? petrol V JTD

I'm 18 i have a Stilo JTD tbh Turbos are sooooooooooooo much fun

Whaptissssssssssh...admittely they sound like a tractor in the morning but hey once its warmed up they sound fine!
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Two considerations I have from the tight Scotsman is that the diesel will require more frequent servicing and fuel is more expensive.

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Actually diesel requires less frequent servicing.. No plugs to change, no HT leads to change. Fuel may cost a few pence more but you get double the MPG.
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Diesel for economy + relaxed driving style and if your £1100 goes on insurance think you may struggle to feed the petrol's thirst @ 20-26 mpg possibly less if your gonna drive it like you stole it Petrol one as an ornament on your drive or diesel one and be driving here there and everywhere No contest really...
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Actually diesel requires less frequent servicing.. No plugs to change, no HT leads to change. Fuel may cost a few pence more but you get double the MPG.
Hmm I made that assumption based on the VX Omega Diesel, needs a oil and filter every 6K where as the petrol doesn't.

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Your all mental.

The Diesal has more torque and more bhp, it is the faster car out of the two, it is better on fuel, has cheaper tuning potential (ie larger turbo and or more boost for a dramatic increase) and the insurance will be about 10 groups lower.

Your all crazy I tell ya for even thinking about not getting the diesal!!
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Hmm I made that assumption based on the VX Omega Diesel, needs a oil and filter every 6K where as the petrol doesn't.

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In the old days that was true. Earlier diesel Fiat's all need an oil change at 4500 miles; however, the JTD is different and is the same 12K as the Petrol models.

To answer the original question it depends on driving style. If you expect to change gear at the red-line all the time, I suspect the petrol will be best, and certainly more fun. Diesel engines don't 'rev' like petrol engines, but taller gearing means this is less of an issue than it could be.

The petrol will sound nicer, but the 5-pot diesel still has a nice 'thrum' to it too. Also, the diesel will always pull at low revs so you will get brilliant performance and good economy as opposed to brillaint performance and shares is Esso...

For me it would be the diesel, but I wouldn't bother chipping it if you wanted it to last...
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Re: So which is better? petrol V JTD

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The petrol will sound nicer, but the 5-pot diesel still has a nice 'thrum' to it too. Also, the diesel will always pull at low revs so you will get brilliant performance and good economy as opposed to brillaint performance and shares is Esso...
5 pot anything (as long its not a V5) sounds brill IMO. Straight 6 is even better..but rare in anything in Diesel these days it would seem (willing to be corrected )
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Re: So which is better? petrol V JTD

Petrol.

The diesel is heavier, so more strain on front suspension components which in turn means more understeer, less well balanced car, the bane of all FWD diesel cars. Front suspension bushes go more readily as do shocks, & front brakes also wear out quicker as well, and are usually more expensive to replace as being uprated to handle the great big lump of iron above them. Tyre wear is also more prominent on diesel cars again due to the extra weight, but also due to the diesels characterises of low down torque, the tyres have got to transmit that to the road and if you want to launch off the line like a petrol car it becomes a constant losing battle for the tyres.

When it comes to service costs it isn't just oil and plugs you have to consider, and as you are talking about a 2nd hand car these things become all the more apparent as they will no doubt be closer to the end of there servicable life.

Drive both, as only you will know which you prefer, you can seek advice but at the end of the day cars are bought with a gut feeling most of the time, not by the head full of other peoples opinions.

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i don't know, but i do know that alfa should be taking the 1.9 to 175 bhp. that should fit! but then again they could already put the 150bhp in

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I wonder if the new Grande Punto is wide enough under the bonnet for the 2.4 to fit. The 2.4 is a five cylinder inline engine, so it may not be able to go in there. 200 HP and 400Nm of torque in a car that size.....Holy Hippopotamus, that would be quick!!!
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Your all mental.

The Diesal has more torque and more bhp, it is the faster car out of the two, it is better on fuel, has cheaper tuning potential (ie larger turbo and or more boost for a dramatic increase) and the insurance will be about 10 groups lower.

Your all crazy I tell ya for even thinking about not getting the diesal!!
well call me mental and crazy, but my moneys still on the 20v

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