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Question Space-saving wheels dont actually save space!

As per the title; all comments would be very welcome...

I was staring into space - that is, the boot-space of my 2014 Panda yesterday (as you do), and I noticed that the space-saving wheel is all wrong... It doesn't save any space at all. On the contrary, it actually takes up space!

With the spare wheel held in by it's screw-down clamp (that has an unnecessarly long thread!) I noticed there is a lot of wasted space below the wheel. There's not much space in the boot of a Panda anyway so I had an idea...


Why not turn the wheel over? That way it could then be filled with a whole load of stuff - tools, spares, and other bits and bobs etc
(Yes I realise the screw-down clamp would now no longer do anything, but it wouldn't be difficult to make up a suitable spacer in order to keep it utilised.

What beggars the question however, is why did FIAT design the spare wheel to fit in this way?

Does fitting it in like that create some extra strength to the boot floor or am I missing something? It just seems so (obviously) wrong!
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Re: Space-saving wheels dont actually save space!

Thats where the jack and tool kit goes
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Re: Space-saving wheels dont actually save space!

It's supposed to be upside down, and you're supposed to have a tool kit ...

Edit: Something like this https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/...ml#post3294473
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Re: Space-saving wheels dont actually save space!

"Space saver" was a phrase coined early on when these things were first presented. The name is a misnomer, as most vehicles still have enough space for the removed full-size wheel. I think it may have originally been proposed by a supercar manufacturer, to provide a spare, when otherwise there would be none. They never did address the problem of having the passenger carry the punctured wheel for the remainder of the journey.

Once the idea was out, legislation had to be changed to allow the fitment and use of an odd-sized wheel on the road. This is why they have a legal max speed of 80kph/50mph, although my experience of these is that 50mph is quite frightening when presented with a bend. Effects will differ dependent on which corner wears the spare.

In reality, car manufacturers are using these initially to save money, theirs, not yours, and later the weight saving was suggested to help save fuel. (My experience with a couple of Fiestas with/without spare brought slightly better fuel consumption with the spare in the boot.)

When a replacement tyre is needed for the silly spare, it is expensive, often a full-size wheel and tyre is cheaper. A small spare is acceptable for most users, although a bit of a pain on a long journey, but a full-size one is a must for the learner car.

Any spare is better than a pot of sealant.

Whilst watching YouTube this morning, there was an advert for a Ford (Kuga I think), happily presenting its special storage area under the boot floor, for muddy boots and such. So the spare wheel well is being repurposed and presented as a feature. The muddy wellies may not be of use when a puncture is suffered.
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Quote Originally Posted by portland_bill View Post
"Space saver" was a phrase coined early on when these things were first presented. The name is a misnomer, as most vehicles still have enough space for the removed full-size wheel.

Whilst watching YouTube this morning, there was an advert for a Ford (Kuga I think), happily presenting its special storage area under the boot floor, for muddy boots and such. So the spare wheel well is being repurposed and presented as a feature. The muddy wellies may not be of use when a puncture is suffered.
Somebody asked about the 'hardboard' lid that stopped the boot carpet sinking around the spare wheel

My 1992 Tempra S.W.

Had a hard lid: cover.. and a vast storage tray

IIRC the skinny spare was in the rear wing

@Palio could probably clarify

My 2012 punto had a plastic case in the 'wheel well' from new
I turfed it out and fitted a 175/65/15 steel wheel
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Re: Space-saving wheels dont actually save space!

Ah - ok - thanks for that excellent link Eklipze3k - now it all makes good sense

I have all the tools but they're in a bag in the boot - goodness knows what happened to the original round thing for the tools to sit in.

It's a good job I didnt get round to cutting the threads down on the screw-down clamp!
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Ah - ok - thanks for that excellent link Eklipze3k - now it all makes good sense

I have all the tools but they're in a bag in the boot - goodness knows what happened to the original round thing for the tools to sit in.

It's a good job I didnt get round to cutting the threads down on the screw-down clamp!
Probably no tools ( or wheel..) when supplied new..

Most stop.start cars just came with a tin of goo and a naff compressor
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Re: Space-saving wheels dont actually save space!

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Probably no tools ( or wheel..) when supplied new..

Most stop.start cars just came with a tin of goo and a naff compressor

My SAAB had a stupid space-saving wheel that I was dreading ever having to use, but luckily I found that a full-sized wheel could fit - so a money saving excercise rather than space saving; I duly acquired a proper spare wheel.

My neighbour's Peugeot Cabrio came with the next-to-useless 'tin of glue' - she threw that away and bought a s/h space-saver wheel and tools for next to nothing off eBay.

As for the round thing that the tools sat in, having re-read Eklipze3k's linked thread it now seems that the 4x4 doesn't have one, but rather a bag that the tools are in - which is exactly what I have, and they're still in their individual polythene sealed bags so have clearly never even been used.

That thread also talks about the jack for the 4x4 being larger than standard Panda jacks, so perhaps my original question about space-saving wheels not actually saving any space might have an unintentional ounce of truth in it! A little more investigation required on my part I think - I'll need to ensure that the jack will in fact lift the car high enough to remove a wheel and investigate turning the space-saver wheel over to utilise and create storage space.
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Re: Space-saving wheels dont actually save space!

a stupid space-saving wheel is better than no wheel at all, it seems rare now to get even a stupid space-saving wheel. mobile tyre fitters are making a fortune.
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