Italian Cars: loved.lost..slipped through your fingers

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Italian Cars: loved.lost..slipped through your fingers

Black 1987 panda 1000s ,5 gears, coil spring rear suspension.
cost £30 because mot was about to expire and it required welding as it turned out it required a lot of welding, took me a few days. So much welding the mot advisory was this car has had a lot of welding! It passed though.
electroinc ingnition from an uno made huge difference to running (still have ingnition distributor and coil that's all there was to system) If anyone interested?
scrapped due to broken cambelt ...... I didn't know then that it is a "safe" engine)-....:
My partner was pleased because she thought it wasn't a "safe" car.
Funnily enough that panda taught me about the notorious fiat battery earth strap to body problem. So fiat have been playing that joke on us from at least 1987.
Replaced it with a £200 Peugeot 205gti 1.6
It was years before I got that one nice to drive but that was due to health problems rather than the car.
 
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I bought a panda 45 'MY 1st FIAT' ;)
..in the Under £50 column of local paper..
Had been a 17 year olds 1st car.. FAILED MOT ..
Of course I then had an itemised list :)
2 bulbs
Bald tyre (spare was new..)
It needed sills.. but they just sat in top of old ones.. £45 later it was on the road :)

It was a replacement for then girlfriends ..now wifes 127 1050/70
Panda ran on unleaded.. economic too :)
Also had rear belt anchor points ( a Stanley knife slot needed through the 'hammock' though..) :eek:

Had it 18 months.. inherited a large hound.. so needed an estate :(

Sold on to a guy who wanted economy over his Volvo... 18 months later he was still loving it.. said it was comfortable too :)
 
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This is my current(2nd) fiat.
A friend bought a red multipla, then her husband bought a yellow multipla. Practicality of multipla impressed me so much, along with jtd economy, it would have been rude not to get one.
Yes it's tatty I really don't care.
 

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Love this thread.
Where's Jock?
Charlie,
Should I delete my multipla as it's not yet lost?
 
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I've never let anything slip through my fingers as such. I've always liked any Coupe style car, but The Fiat Coupe is the nuts for me & I still have one. For me it's one of those timeless cars, still looking fresh inside & out & is a true 155mph motor, not too shabby for a 21 year old. Although not cheap to run, a modern equivalent would cost a bomb. I love the five pot burble pottering through a town as much as the roar when a wee bit faster ;) The Coupes party piece is slip into third gear & place your foot to te carpet & hang on :cool:

Such a pity that Fiat don't manufacture sports cars of that type any more.
 
I will list some of the tipo - marea stuff.

The tipo

4 year old 1910td 75k at purchase... my 1st diesel.. bought to tow a caravan.. replacing a 1.5 regata

Did the job well and Great on fuel got 50mpg Oxford to Dover..
Was to be a 'keeper'.. but fate intervened

Towing a bike trailer up M42 past NEC a lorry shed a tyre.. I passed over the smoking carcase..
1 hour later stopped for fuel in Shrewsbury.. rear hatch was a bit grubby.. blamed trucks I had followed :(

Seemed a bit noisy on the next 2 hour stint..
Got up next morning.. heavy dew in Snowdonia.. Red car ..Pink tailgate

Ooohh thats a Lot of oil

Dip oil.. nothing showing.. bugger
Trip to local garage buy 4.5 litres

Add 1 litre ( min to max volume..)
Nothing on dipstick .. :(

Add and check...add and check

Level appeared after adding 3.5 litres

Started car.. dumped oil on ground.. the oil coolers supply line was holed :(

Damage.. from striking that truck tyre :/

Had driven 100× miles in 2+ hours since
WITH NO OIL.. the impact had wiped the sensor wiring..so no warning light

Breakdown guy arrived in Fiat-Alfa overalls

A quick look.. ' no chance I will recover you..'

I cobbled a repair at home.. basically oiltight.. but not cooling on boost :eek:

Bought a Tempra 2.0 SW.. COOL CAR :)

tipo was gifted to sister.in.law - in need of a car
'Might last a week.. might last a month'

3 YEARS she had it.. used no oil..!!

Then my mate had it for another 2.. running on 'mazola' :(
I shouldve kept it..!!
 
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hi first car fiat was 1973 127 palio then downgraded to 126 de ville which i fitted engine from a styer-puch halflinger 4 wheel drive ie rear engine as the front engine had seized.o wasnt it quick had to put an old 13 kg gas bottle in the front boot 1/2 full with concrete to keep it on the road,up to date had 23 different fiat cars &VANS THE BEST ONE 2012 FIAT PANDA WHICH WAS USED BY AUTOCAR FOR PUBLICTY BLUE REG NO RV12 UVX NOW FULLY RETIRED NOW GOT A 3 CYLINDER TUT-TUT AGILA AND 1964 ARIEL LEADER MOWER MENDER 70
 
My 'marea experience'..

I missed the tipo td's 'shoved in the back' grunt.. and diesel economy
So bought a 99T marea weekend
( I tried the 5cyl petrol.. seemed 'heavy' ..and they were all at 70k miles..so due a £1k service)

The car was ex.BOC rep
2 Yrs old.. 75k..Extensive Service history :)

Was comfy and fantastic on fuel @70mpg

But I didnt like it.. :eek: you had to drive it like a petrol.. it was a 105..so 1st generation jtd.. and the rev limiter cut in abruptly :(

I bought a mk2tipo cheap (these had the MASSIVE turbo) big grin..!!

Sister.in.law had the marea.. liked it but didnt look after it.. so I got some odd 'fix.it' requests..

Years later wanted to 'get my head around' jtd tech so I could consider a modern camper.. so bought a £200 marea weekend
2 years newer..a 110..I actually liked it..!!

But I had health issues by then.. so limited car work for me :(

Car did great though
had it 3 years..and moved Lots of kit up and down the A40 and M4
could have done with cruise.. but it wouldnt support it (the ongoing saga with my cars ...) :eek:
 
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Love this thread.
Where's Jock?
Here I am!

I tend to go for "threads you've posted to" and "New Posts" Then the Pandas, 500s and Grande Punto/Punto 2012. It's pretty random after that so I often miss things until I'm surfing through maybe once a month or so.

The first "FIAT" I fell in love with was not actually a FIAT. That sounds a bit weird doesn't it. It was actually a Steyr Puch 650 back in the mid '60s. I very nearly bought it but went for a 1275 Cooper S instead as at that time I fancied a go at rallying and I reasoned the mini would be easier and cheaper to keep on the road. My brief attempt at rally driving was dismally unsuccessful and I now regret not buying the Puch.

So, Fiats I've loved etc? It probably all started shortly after I got my first job and we bought a wee end terrace house near Blackwater Hants. Mrs J worked for BOAC at Heathrow and she and another girl - who became best friends, our families are still in close touch - would travel up each day in that girl's 500 (we're talking late '60s early '70s here) That was not far off a 60 mile daily round journey, hats off to them! The girl's husband, also a BOAC employee, and I seemed to be fixing something on it every week, in particular I remember drive shafts with stripped splines more than once! We became good friends. Both the girls got pregnant with our first children at nearly the same time and worked until they were nearly full term. The sight of these two "rolly pollys" getting in and out of this poor wee car was a source of much comment! Tweedledum and Tweedledee comes to mind.

Then there was my friend's Mirafiore 131 which was really much like a Cortina to look after, pleasant enough and reliable but it rusted terribly. an unexciting car. Then I got involved with a couple of Ladas! (Not Fiats I know, but related to the 124?) They both needed timing chains which was good fun. I've never seen engines with so much slack in a timing chain without trashing the engine. On one the chain was actually milling its way into the side of the head/block! It still ran, rather erratically, but what a racket! I never liked the Lada because of it's steering which was so "dead" and lacking in self centering. I used to hire 124s often in Italy when I worked for Firestone and I remember their driving position to be poor and the steering somewhat lacking in self centering but the Lada was a whole order of magnitude worse. The Lada's throttle pedal position, in the RHD version, would cripple you too after a few miles.

When I taught basic classes in car mechanics one of the section's vehicles was a 128. I quite liked it. We would drive it round the training centre's grounds whenever someone did a big exercise (like doing a clutch etc) which always attracted a few bets as to whether it would make it back. Interestingly - or maybe not? - the 128 - a different one - was the first engine I'd ever done a timing belt on.

Then it's fast forward to my daughter learning to drive, so around 1990? After my older boy buying a 1300 Allegro and learning to drive in it a couple of years earlier and getting a shock at what insurance cost - now a days frighteningly so - we were looking for something to insure as cheaply as possible. The 750 Panda stood out. She learned to drive in it, passed her test and went to uni in it. Then got married and set off, with it loaded to the gunnels, for southern England where the two of them had set up house. She only got as far as Carlisle before the dreaded metal water pipe (which at that time I didn't know was a weakness) You know, the one that runs along the front of the block, ruptured and allowed all the water to leak away with catastrophic consequences for the engine. Unfortunately the body was also in pretty poor condition so we, sadly, laid it to rest.

Next was when our youngest boy learned to drive. Knowing about the cheap insurance it just had to be another Panda and after quite a search, because he's very particular and it couldn't just be any old Panda, We found Felicity. 1992 Panda Parade (special edition) with metallic purply blue paint and twin sun roofs - there was an identical one for sale on the forum recently. I didn't fancy the sun roofs but he wouldn't listen! That car was bought late 90's and, although he bought a "flashy" Escort as soon as he could afford it we continued to run her until 2016 when I called it a day to welding bits of filing cabinet into her floor, sills and door bottoms! The chap who took her off our hands said he was going to restore her but I haven't heard anything. - Must give him a ring. Felicity taught me an awful lot about Pandas and the FIRE engine.

And so up to the present when we bought Becky (Panda 1.2 Dynamic Eco) and my oldest boy bought his Punto 1.4 Easy in 2016. Regulars to the forum will be familiar with my adventures with these two.

I've owned lots of other vehicles and some I loved more than the Fiats but, of the Fiats, it's Felicity (features in my forum picture) I loved the most. She had single point injection and electronic ignition, only one oxygen sensor and an easy to change Cat (not a Manicat). Spares were very cheap and easy to get, the automatic adjusters on the rear brake shoes were a very silly design, and the fabric sun roofs were falling apart - I taped and glued them up to stop the leaks - but I owned her for so long I felt I knew her more intimately than Mrs J. OOOOOW, does that sound a bit weird?
 
This is my current(2nd) fiat.
A friend bought a red multipla, then her husband bought a yellow multipla. Practicality of multipla impressed me so much, along with jtd economy, it would have been rude not to get one.
Yes it's tatty I really don't care.
Is the Landy yours too? I've got a bit of a "thing" for old Land Rovers.
 
Is the Landy yours too? I've got a bit of a "thing" for old Land Rovers.

Hi Jock,
I deliberately angled pick of Maud the multi to get the land rover I picture too.
Hoping someone would notice.
Yes he's mine. 1985 land rover 90
2286cc petrol. 70,000 miles .

Love the history of felicity.

There is a lot of land rover spirt in first gen pandas :)
 
I deliberately angled pick of Maud the multi to get the land rover I picture too.
Hoping someone would notice.
Yes he's mine. 1985 land rover 90
2286cc petrol. 70,000 miles .

Love the history of felicity.

There is a lot of land rover spirt in first gen pandas :)

I had seen it.. looked kind of familiar

So I opened the view.. then realised it was a different 'streetscene'

I was going to comment but didnt know enough :eek:
Mate had a 1972 110.. years ago (followed by RR's) to me his was 'series II' ?
S1was lights in grille.. or FC

Later was Defender

Feel free to tell me just how wrong that all is ;)
 
Hi Jock,
I deliberately angled pick of Maud the multi to get the land rover I picture too.
Hoping someone would notice.
Yes he's mine. 1985 land rover 90
2286cc petrol. 70,000 miles .

Love the history of felicity.

There is a lot of land rover spirt in first gen pandas :)
Not sure why but Maud seems to me to be a very satisfactory name for her.

Me and Land Rovers? A longstanding "death wish" so far unfulfilled. After the wee garage I worked in lost it's DAF dealership and started selling Polski Fiats I moved to a wee country garage which was a BL dealership. A large part of our customer base were farmers so we saw a lot of Land Rovers, mostly series 3. In fact our tow truck was a series one with a dirty great crane on the back! The other lads hated working on them because they were invariably filthy, covered in mud, cow dung and worse. As you'll know, compared with a lot of cars Landys are actually fairly easy to work on and absolutely everything is "fixable" unlike a lot of the far eastern produced competition. (I'm thinking steering swivels in particular but also everything is bolted on, not welded) I enjoyed working on them and soon found myself the automatic "go to" when one came in. I had one worrying incident where I'd been working on one all day on one which had failed MOT doing "skulls" and re-shimming the steering swivels then replacing corroded brake pipes - that was always a bit of a "phaf" because the pipes ran along the top of the chassis rails between them and the body - I suppose to give protection to them when off the road. It was summer and I remember a lot of dusty mud flying around under the wings whilst I was working. When I'd had a "Land Rover Day" I would be absolutely filthy by going home time. The apprentice would brush me down with a hand brush and when I got home I would drop all my clothes at the back door and go straight to the bathroom for a bath. On this occasion I met my wife in the hall, as she came out of the kitchen, and she gave a wee strange "squeak" (not sure to this day whether it was in alarm or amusement) and said "go and look at yourself in the mirror". I was covered head to foot in an angry splotchy red rash! Didn't itch or anything but looked horrendous. It was no better after my bath so we bundled myself and the kids into the car and shot off to the A&E at the Infirmary. They kept me in overnight in case it was infectious but deduced the next day that it was a reaction to chemicals, probably in the dust from the Landy!

I've always fancied a SWB Mk1 or Mk2 but it would have to have the lights in the grill. I know I'm never going to have one, but it's one of the dreams that keep me going! Even bought the Haynes manual recently, just for light reading!

Felicity was boringly reliable for about the first 15 years we owned her, so she must have been around 20 years old by then, but latterly old age just started to catch up with her. Although she suffered a mildly leaking head gasket - which was probably the easiest head gasket I've ever done (after I thinned down a socket to fit the front middle head bolt) What really did for her was the rust. It became a yearly ritual. Visit the garage for MOT where I would come away with the rusty bits outlined in yellow crayon. Spend around a week welding bits of old filing cabinet, which I got for nothing from the scrappy, into the floor and sills. back to the garage - who don't charge a retest fee if you are not more than 2 weeks over - and back on the road for another year. It got to the stage where I couldn't find metal good enough to mig weld too (mig demands good quality base metal) so I found a wonderful chap, still friends with him, who rents workshop space and one ramp for himself in a bigger garage where he does almost exclusively MOT welding repairs using gas. His skills are almost mystical! he is a real artist with a welding torch. At that time he seemed to have only two prices £75 for minor repairs and £150 for bigger jobs. I handed Felicity over to him for the next few years repairs until in the end he said "Jock, Don't bother to bring her back next year because there's just nothing structural left for me to weld to! Decided to call it a day at that.

I like your comment about Mk1 Pandas having a lot of L/R "spirit" Maybe why I bonded so closely with the old girl?
 
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his was 'series II' ?
S1was lights in grille.. or FC

Later was Defender

I'm pretty sure that very early series 2 production had the lights in the grill too but quite quickly changed to having them on the wings - Must check in that manual, sorry if that makes me sound like a "know it all!

Amazingly I realize I have no recollection of ever working on a Defender.

Just checked this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_series

Thought I was right about the lights in early series 2s

Na, Na, Nynana! Sorry, I'll go and stick my head down the toilet now for that disgusting display of righteousness!
 
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